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To: daniel1212

Yes..you should be able to hold a debate from your own insight and understanding free and clear from anything that other people have written. I have added some other texts very moderately..but I do not need to...you should not either if you have the holy spirit within.


457 posted on 09/27/2012 10:02:15 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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>Yes..you should be able to hold a debate from your own insight and understanding free and clear from anything that other people have written<

That is absurd, and while it is sad, resorting to this is consistent with being a disciple of Masters, as you are not even referring to exegetical analysis of Scripture in reliance upon the Holy Spirit to illuminate as needed, but a reliance upon esoteric understanding as supreme, and which disparages study, and even Scripture itself once one has “arrived.”

Yet Scripture abundantly references Scripture as the supreme standard for obedience and testing truth claims, and the very words of the Holy Spirit therein refutes your rejection of helps. (Which is duplicitous as in reality you exalt Masters.)

For rather than needing no teachers in such a case (versus basic truths), although we do not need Gnostic-type know-it-alls such as Masters, the indisputable fact is that “the body is not one member, but many, “ (1 Corinthians 12:12-14) “And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. “ (1 Corinthians 12:21)

And under Christ, “the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. “ (Ephesians 4:16)

Thus the idea of utter independence contradicts Spirit -inspired Scripture (the correct understanding of which also overall requires us to compare and examine other texts), as God has made His body interdependent, and we even needed others to pen Scripture. And thus while i have refuted multitudes of attempted proof texts, and showed by context, conflation and reason that neither John or anyone teaches that believers no longer sin after being born again, when it come to Greek then an expert is fitting, as it is in referencing sources, etc.

However, even exegetical analysis of Scripture is rejected under Masters, and thus you will be left to your own delusions if you will not repent.


467 posted on 09/27/2012 11:11:55 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: fabian
Yes..you should be able to hold a debate from your own insight and understanding free and clear from anything that other people have written.

Even MASTERS?

473 posted on 09/28/2012 3:29:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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