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To: fabian

You are making yourself look increasingly foolish. God always forbade sin, and thus according to your logic no believer ever would sin! But while God must uphold His standard, he knows man will sin and thus he provided forgiveness, and grace for overcoming sin. And thus man one can characteristically live in victory, at least as regards knowingly sinning. Old time holiness Pentecostalism testifies to “entire sanctification” when one dies out to self in surrender to Christ, He being at home in them, (Eph. 3:14-17) and realizes a second work of grace in deliverance from the overt striving of the flesh, which i seek if it can be obtained, but which belief does not claim such no longer sin.

And which is only one aspect of your error, as it includes teaching that attaining this sinless walk occurs when one becomes born again, which, rather than being the beginning of growth in grace, is set forth as end of a stages of growth thru Masters type of meditation, so that “Salvation is only a basic step leading to rebirth,” “The very last stage of the salvation process is rebirth.” (How to Conquer Suffering Without Doctors, pp. 170-171)

And as Scripture is not the supreme judge, but Masters’ type of subjective “understanding” is, then whether a disciple of Masters sins is a matter of this esoteric judgment, and with God being responsible for what you may be doing wrong.

Thus as much as you attempt to focus on Christians not sinning, which some other who claim to be orthodox Christians hold to, not only is it incontrovertible that believers were born again at the beginning of their growth in grace by faith in the Scriptural, and that they sinned after that, but your error extends to far more than that, even to your unScriptural basis for determining truth, the other errors being a product of that.


453 posted on 09/27/2012 9:40:32 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

..”and thus according to your logic no believer ever would sin!”..not at all because even believers in their formative understandings still sin. We have to be saved from that sin but the darkness that inhabits almost all of us needs to be cleaned out which is done in prayer. First we believe, then we discipline ourselves with God’s help and pray silently..because God already knows what we need...then through patience we possess, or the evil gets dispossessed and there is only our souls and the holy spirit left! Shazam! No more compulsion to sin! Still some moderate temptations from the devil, but no a new power to let them pass by! I know of what I speak..been living it for about 5 years now.


455 posted on 09/27/2012 9:58:14 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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