[Elsie]

But as it appears that those under Masters suppose assertions are arguments, and when faced with evidence that refutes them they cannot admit they were wrong but resort to unwarranted assertions of superior esoteric light, then meaningful exchange is discouraged.

I can't change FABIAN; but I can shed some light, as to what the Scriptures say, to others who may be reading this thread.

[daniel1212]

I should have added that resorting to ad hominem attacks are also used in lieu of actual evidence and refutation. Again, a disciple is not greater than his master, or Obermeister in this case.