you cannot seem to see that most of those quotes do indeed not show Jesus as God, for instance...”whatsoever ye do, may prosper both in the flesh and spirit; in faith and love; in the Son, and in the Father, and in the Spirit;.. Be ye subject...to Christ, and to the Father, and to the Spirit...” (Epistle to the Magnesians, Chapter 13 [SR]).[2]
This one in no ways says Jesus is God, but the son. The son obeys the Father, if he loves him. You loose the argument, period. All you also have to argue with is the written word that your dark spirit within tries to turn into what is not meant, because you have departed from your good spirit for the tree of knowledge once again. You are reliving Adam’s original sin and in now ways do I expect you to admit it.
How many does it TAKE???
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
I am now convinced...
That you want to post WORDS from a NON biblical source, and want us to believe them, but when WE post words from the bible; you dismiss them as irrelevant.
We are dealing with two separate but related issues. You have challenged both the early teaching of the trinity and the early teaching of the deity of Christ. Daniel’s pre-300 quotes demonstrate early belief in the trinity, contrary to your assertions. For early mention of the deity of Christ, you may wish to consider the early fathers quoted here:
http://www.risenjesus.com/the-early-church-fathers-on-jesus
In particular, you should note the words of Polycarp. He is a personal favorite of mine, because he was a disciple under the apostle John. You know, that same fellow who said the “word was God?” If anybody in the ancient church would be in a position to know what John meant, it would have to be someone who knew him personaly, who learned their theology directly from someone who was there when Jesus lived and taught and died and rose again. And how does Polycarp come down on the issue? He could not be any clearer. Read the quotes. Old Polycarp thinks Jesus is God. You’d have to be willfully blind not to see it. Read, and enjoy. I know I did. :)
Peace,
SR
You are blowing smoke to be frank. All these quotes support the Deity of Christ, and including the weakest one which you invoke, as it refers to direct spiritual obedience to unseen beings in Heaven being given equally to those named, and in all of Scripture only God is the object of such.
This is likewise seen in baptism in which the name of the authority which one is baptized in is the Father, the Son and the Spirit, which would be blasphemous if such were not Divine.
But of course you would not even admit you were wrong about no one believing in Christ being God in 3 centuries after Christ, and also ignore the abundant and far weightier testimony of Scripture which explicitly and implicitly reveals the Deity of Christ.
Also refuted before is the premise that to be subject to another disallows being of the same nature, or that one in Scripture refers to an absolute unity.
In the end, all you have is your puffed up proclamation of esoteric knowledge, as the disciple is not greater than his master, in this case a mortal who renamed himself “Masters,” whom God the Father shall yet abase under the feet of the one who stated, “Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I AM. “ (John 13:13) .