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To: fabian
I argue from my holy spirit before the bible ...

There's yer problem!

145 posted on 09/19/2012 9:59:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Nope...that is your problem! Where do you think the authors of the bible got their insights? The holy spirit....daaaa! You have a bible religion, not the real thing.


150 posted on 09/19/2012 11:42:29 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter"you min)
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To: Elsie; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; HarleyD; HossB86; wmfights; ...

I came across an rather lengthy analysis of Masters’ teaching which should be of interest to us: http://www.theworldviewcenter.org/encyclopedia_foundationforhumanunderstanding.html

A few excerpts and comments:

We may categorize Masters’ teachings as follows. We should first recognize that in his system the normal definition of words are often changed. For example, a state of imagination is the equivalent of normal daily thinking and living. Temptation is, in part, emotional stimulation. Objectivity is the subjective “awareness” produced through meditation. This restructuring is true of Biblical concepts as well; in Master’s “theology,” Biblical Christian terms assume an entirely new meaning, as we shall see. Undoubtedly, his extensive use of Christian vocabulary is one reason why some Christians believe he is Christian—he “sounds” right. We have enumerated eight sections in summary, documented form.

“Doctors and Dentists are interested in one thing—profit.” Likewise all pastors are only interested in personal glory.28

[Like Smith and Camping and other cultists, Masters has no use for the competition, as they effectively promote themselves as the replacement. He even says none of the people that belong to Billy Grahams organization are right, they just don’t know they are wrong.” Anb “Damn all the hellfire-and-damnation preachers.” 122 ]

“Study is not really learning.”70

Stored intellectual knowledge of Truth is nothing but vanity and serves nothing but evil. The Light in you is the ultimate witness to Truth—even to this statement of truth.74

It is the wordless Truth Who will save you from the evil you see.78

Denial of independent Bible study: while all men have the “potential” to “understand” the Scriptures the way Masters does, few are really going to trust their own study over Masters’. He is the Master. This is one consequence of expounding a mystical hermeneutic—its application is so subjective, vacuous, and uncertain that it is much easier simply to accept what the guru teaches. Also, Bible study is worse than useless; it is dangerous. In The Satan Principle, Masters asserts:

YOU ARE NOT MEANT TO LEARN VERSE AND CHAPTER. Study kills. It is a very dangerous “informing” indeed. . . .By all means read Scriptures, but do not study. . . . You are not going to fail or go to hell if you don’t study. You are more likely to fail and go to hell if you DO. .

And later in the same text he states: “Scan these words. Scan the Scriptures for understanding. BUT NEVER STUDY OR BE ABSORBED IN MERE WORDS.”85

Masters: [So] I threw a Bible in the garbage can. That Bible can go in the garbage can just as soon as anything can go in the garbage can. Slop can go in the garbage can, because the Bible isn’t God.136

The whole process of growing is not from words but from realizing and then you can throw your Bible in the garbage can and there’s no sin in that.137

The Scriptures can poison you, and destroy you. They are lethal, they are deadly. They are more deadly than any drug.138

Masters teaches that “many of the Scriptures have been deleted,” and that the “best parts” of the Bible are left out.132

[This is all contrary to Christ, who only affirmed Scripture and invoked specific words (Mt. 19:4-6) and chastened souls for their ignorance of what Scripture said (Mt. 22:29-32) and commanded men to “Search the scriptures,” for “they are they which testify of me,” and thus “beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself,” (Jn. 5:39; Lk. 24:27)

And His Spirit saith, “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. “ (2 Timothy 2:15)

And Daniel “understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah the prophet.” Dan. 9:2)

Moreover, even unbelievers are sanctified due to the presence of one believer: 1Cor. 7:14)]

Masters goes on:

And now I know why I cannot remember my childhood or my youth or even yesterday; . . . And so, as I die to this world, my memories fade and as knowledge passes away, so does guilt and sin. In the Ever-Present, I am becoming absent minded, in that I cannot remember like other men do. I cannot learn as others learn. The willfulness and mindfulness of this present world are passing away as new knowledge—understanding—comes.89

[Thus guilt and sin are forgotten, not taken away by faith in the Lord Jesus to save one by His sinless shed blood. (cf. Rm. 3:25; Acts 10:43)]

The writers comment, ..nowhere in the Scriptures are we ever told that man lives in a hypnotic state or that he is to turn inward for salvation. If anything, man lives in a freely chosen sinful state and needs to turn to a Savior outside himself.

the fact is that Masters’ philosophy has nothing whatsoever to do with true Christianity, and even he admits he is not an evangelical Christian. He asserts, “I am not a converted Christian. I’m a Jew. How do you like that?”104 Far from believing in Jesus Christ, he rejects the teachings of Jesus Christ. How then do we account for the Christian claims quoted earlier? Simply that one may claim Christianity even while rejecting it; indeed this is a common feature in modern America, not only in many cults, but the populace at large as well. Thus, in his Biblical sounding phraseology, the meaning of the words is the key. Within a Biblical framework they mean one thing. For Roy Masters, however, they take on different meaning: he uses Biblical words and concepts within an entirely foreign framework. The result is that such words are redefined in accordance with his personal presuppositions and world view.

Masters also teaches,

When Christ said to Peter, “Upon this rock I will build my church,” he meant that the body of God is to be made up of people who see for themselves and who are taught by no man.176

Jesus was a created being, although a special one, being immaculately conceived.147 Being a man, he himself had to earn eternal life :”Christ gave us the perfect example by suffering the physical stress without resenting torment—earning life eternal.”149

Some of these are “Jesus freaks,” others fundamentalists and some “charismatic Christians.” All are really hypnotized zombies.

We are human beings with our own original power source—endless and eternal.214

The evidence of a Higher Presence in meditation is [manifested by] a change in breathing.233

Cold shivers, occasional perspiration, and labored or heavy breathing reveal contact-response to a higher consciousness. It means something has been added that is causing changes to occur.234

Occasionally you will feel suspended in space, as if your body had melted into the universe and become “one” with all nature. . . . You will find yourself expressing wisdom and knowledge that you never outwardly learned or heard before.235

Comment: It is a fact that Eastern forms of meditation have long been acknowledged as paths to altered states of consciousness, and these allow intrusion of the spirit world and demonic influence on the meditator.

More from Masters:

If a dog had tempted Adam to fall, he “would have had sexual

feeling toward that dog.” (His view of the Fall is that it instituted sex and procreation.) “Sex is . . . the evidence of original sin.”285

God was obliged to give Solomon his wealth.286

“Hate and pleasure are weird forms of the same thing.”287

The little voice of conscience is the voice of error.304


172 posted on 09/20/2012 4:18:31 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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