Posted on 08/03/2012 4:19:35 PM PDT by agooga
Being a hardcore constitutionalist, conservative, agnostic AND supporter of gay-marriage is not always easy. I usually take a lot of heat from both sides, and I'm used to that.
With the Chick-Fil-A situation, I see both sides of the issue. I support CFA and I support the idea of gay marriage. What I don't support are the tactics used by the left to bully, intimidate, mock, deride and create false narratives to achieve their goal.
I'm angry at the left for creating hatred. I see and hear a lot of it because I have so many gay and liberal friends, and I hate to see them so angry and hateful, and I hate to see them putting out all of that negativity into the world. I feel like it's pollution, seeping out of their mouths and fingertips, spreading and touching us all. I feel like it's hurting us all. I know it's hurting me.
Sometimes I try to explain this to them. I have many Christian friends who are for traditional marriage, and I RESPECT their point of view. I acknowledge the fact that thousands of years of customs and tradition, millions of years of evolution, and various types of traditional upbringing and church doctrine has deeply encoded the idea of man/woman relationships and man/woman marriage on almost all of us. Some of us have been able and willing to make the leap to their side and accept the gay lifestyle as valid, but many of us have not.
My pro-gay friends equate the gay rights struggle with the cvil rights struggle, and there are SOME parallels, but not as many as they would think. Slavery, segregation and other forms of racial discrimination were actually encoded in the laws of the time. There are no laws that currently discriminate against gay people-- the issue is simply that there are no laws that specifically countenance gay people, and the right to gay marriage.
Is there prejudice from some in the hetero community? Yes. Is this prejudice based on a belief in one's intellectual or physical superiority? No. It's based on an IDEA, essentially. It's often based on the principle of morality. Traditionalists think that gay people are "doing something wrong" or "doing something that is unnatural." Some heteros think that gay people choose this lifestyle and believe they can change themselves-- but choose not to as an act of rebellion. This is not true.
Gayness is imprinted, in my opinion, just as anti-gayness is imprinted. Neither are clear, conscious choices that we make-- they are largely made for us by our genetics, upbringing, culture or some combination.
I ask that you not hate gay people for this reason.
But I also directly ask gay people and their supporters not to hate you and TRY to understand why traditionalists feel uncomfortable, threatened and even repulsed by the gay lifestyle. And rather than trying to push traditionalists off the edge of the cliff, I ask my pro-gay friends to try to lead these skeptics away from the cliff with respect, tolerance and compassion. So far, this plea has fallen mostly on deaf ears.
I operate under no illusions that we can wave a magic wand and heal the wounds of our nation, largely inflicted by anarcho-radical leftwing 60's retread tactics. But is it just me, or does no one understand that the more you push with brute force, the more the other side digs in it's heels to resist?
Gay marriage will likely be reality in America soon. That issue will be settled in the SCOTUS and it will be all over in a soundbite released on a Friday night before the justices go on summer vacation. I am sure of that. But we still have to live with each other.
So my question is this: Have these words meant anything to you? And is it worth trying to help other people understand one another a little more? Or is it none of my (or anyone's) business?
It’s like the guy in the commercial when asked to point out the angus area on the beef cut chart, “I’d rather not.”
Very well said, you.
Thank you, LVR!!
LOL....exactly
Read a joke, I think here...muzzies invented the first condom, they created it out of goat intestine.
The Brits improved upon it by removing the intestine from the goat.
LOL...don't know why, but your post made me think of that.
When I was younger, I had a much more open mind.
But I’ve come to see that the ‘camel’s nose under the tent’ argument has merit.
Once homosexual marriage is accepted, polygamy will be 10 seconds behind that. There are already people using the gay lobbyist’s arguments for pedophilia and bestiality. (Don’t believe it will go that far? There are credible people arguing for infanticide and assisted euthanasia - without cause - right now, based on the arguments for abortion. The left will take it as far as they can push it.)
I’m sorry, but the left is NEVER satisfied. Ever. Women’s rights have been turned into women’s privileges. Abortion in specific situations has been turned into abortions for all at any stage of pregnancy. Divorce for abuse or infidelity as been turned into no-fault freebie divorce. Welfare for very poor, abused single mothers has become a massive welfare state. Don’t even get me started on the EPA and environmental movement.
There is no rational point where the radical left will be satisfied and say, “I did a good thing. My work here is done.” They will keep pushing until our entire society goes over a cliff.
I am a libertarian in the sense that I really do believe that it is an individual’s right to make poor choices and it’s not the duty of society to save them from themselves.
But I am conservative in the sense that I do believe that we do need some semblance of order in order to function as a healthy society. This is why EVERY society has a code of behavior that every individual must respect and obey.
I don’t hate gay people. I’m actually related to a gay man and he’s a great guy. My husband and I have a gay friend who’s one of the most loving, understanding people you’d ever met.
I don’t hate sinners. I have known and loved drug addicts and alcoholics and watched them make every excuse and justification for their behavior that they could come up with. I have held a sobbing woman with compassion after she fully realized the horror of her abortion. And this was after listening to her go on and ON for months about what a great ‘choice’ she made. (No, I didn’t guilt her into seeing what she had done. She did that all on her own.)
The Lord knows that I have my own faults.
So no, I don’t believe in regulating ‘sin’ or morality. The drug addict needs to find his own way into rehab. Nobody can force it.
But the primary function of marriage is to raise healthy, well-adjusted children into functioning adults. That is best done with a mother and a present father. Society honors this institution because it’s good for society.
I don’t support gay marriage for the same reason that I don’t support no-fault divorce and that I do support a 2 week waiting period before a couple says, “I do.” Marriage needs to be taken seriously as a sacred institution. We need a healthy family unit to maintain a healthy society. For the most part, it works.
I do not *think* - I do not *believe* - that gay marriage will open the door to every other perversion of the institution.
I KNOW IT WILL.
The show ‘sisterwives’ was the trial balloon for polygamy. NAMBLA is becoming more bold. Physicians at the AMA are openly discussing denial of medical care and euthanasia for our elderly.
These are things that nobody would dare openly address just a couple of decades ago. Now they have a voice that’s actually being given consideration.
We must push back.
Bingo! Right now it’s all PC sloganeering - like pink ribbons.
The leftwing media has mainstreamed the homosexuality movement.
Once people pull the curtains back and realize how sick and grotesque homosexuality truly is (i.e. two guys having anal sex), the more people will be turned off.
Marriage simply recognizes the existence of a bonded pair, one male and one female, and is in line with “evolution”.
Help me, not sure what is meant with “evolution”
Pro-creation, Yes!
I differ with you on the gay issues. I don’t hate gays, but get pretty upset they’d be so militant and in your face with their lyfestyle.
My views aren’t based on any moralism. Simply put, I view homosexuality as both disgusting and a sexual deviancy.
Thank you for saying what I couldn’t say without cussing and possibly getting banned!
>> ...It’s nothing but sick perversion and mental illness. &etc
Well said.
What we call the slippery slope, the libtards call it "progress"
You are hopeless.
It's time to run a Conservative ~ and any action taken other than that will result in the loss of America as we understand it to be.
Might well ask how you can be in favor of a candidate who is pro-gay marriage and at the same time be against just some poster who is also pro-gay marriage?
Are you trying to believe two contradictions simultaneously?
It's not just some tradition that started in the relatively recent past a few thousand years ago. It's been there since the foundations of our existence.
Don’t listen to some of these responses. Homosexuality is not a tenant of conservatism. Smaller government, more individual freedom and fiscal responsibility are the pillars of conservatism. while I am against gay marriages, as it goes against both the Bible, and the sole purpose of marriage in recognizing and advertising for procreation, opposition to this view IMO does not disqualify someone from conservatism.
The push for gay marriage is also part of a larger effort to demand acceptance and approval of the gay lifestyle and of sexual freedom in all respects. To the degree that this effort has been and continues to be successful, it has undermined traditional morality, marriage, and family life and the cultural and legal support for them. The result is a world in which traditional marriages and families are unnecessarily stressed.
In consequence, a great many children now suffer from not being raised by their parents, married and living together in the same household, loving and vigilant in the care and protection of their natural offspring.
Our liberated age liberated not just mild mannered "squares" so they could explore their sexuality, but it also liberated predators. Thus sexual predation against children is more and more common. Two of the covert truths of the gay community is that many of its leaders were sexually abused as children, and that among gays, sexual attraction to young, even underage males is considered normal. There is thus also a growing effort by gays to lower the age of consent so as to facilitate what is near universally considered morally wrong.
For most conservatives, these trends are alarming and must be resisted. You are not obliged to agree, but you at least ought to understand the larger context, which you seem not to.
Gayness is imprinted, in my opinion, just as anti-gayness is imprinted.
Opinions that equate apples and oranges aren’t worth much to anyone. Opinions that further use technomedipsycological claptrap such as ‘imprinted’ as if it has an actual application in the matter under discussion are worth less.
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