Posted on 07/23/2012 8:24:17 AM PDT by Zakeet
College sports' governing body today suspended Penn State's football team from postseason bowl play for four years and fined the university $60 million for its handling of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.
The team also must vacate all wins from 1998 through 2011.
"The career record of former head football coach Joe Paterno will reflect these vacated records," the NCAA said in a statement. "Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period. In addition, the NCAA reserves the right to impose additional sanctions on involved individuals at the conclusion of any criminal proceedings."
The fines are to be paid into an endowment for non-university programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims, the NCAA said.
"The NCAA recognizes that student-athletes are not responsible for these events and worked to minimize the impact of its sanctions on current and incoming football student-athletes," the statement said. "Any entering or returning student-athlete will be allowed to immediately transfer and compete at another school. Further, any football student-athletes who remain at the university may retain their scholarships, regardless of whether they compete on the team."
(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...
Upon what fact does he rely when concluding that "coach" in the one email referred to Paterno??? Where is his fact for that???
Isn't it reasonable to conclude that the word "Coach" in the one email referred to Sandusky and not Paterno???
How does he reach a conclusion on the basis of two emails neither of which are from Paterno.
My links were only a few pages. You send me 359 pages.
Paterno was going through the worst 4-year win-loss (26-37)period in his career if this had gotten out he would have been gone for sure. In 2004, Spanier and other PSU officials tried to get him to retire, he refused.
He not only knew he actively covered it up! What ‘good guy’ actively covers for a pedophile?
We are not in disagreement about football culture...I think.
I see that there are two parallel lines:
1. Football culture—the actual games, the team rivalries, the fans loyalties including football histories, watching the games in the stadium or on TV, the tailgating,etc. etc.
and...
2. The big business of football...franchises, the stadiums and city sponsorships, TV sponsorships and televising, Endorsements, Gambling, donations to colleges’ football program etc. this business aspect of football has removed it from an era when the “business” of football just wasn’t THAt powerful or pervasive.
My point was that once a “team’ enters the arena, even if its college, it is now involved in Big Business..although college teams are inextricably (sp?) tied to the Big Business of Football and the consequences of bad behavior is now more significant.
And I'm sure you can guess the effect of lynch mobs dictating the law.
My own take on this mess is that Paterno dismissed the allegations against Sandusky as false accusations motivated by jealousy. Had this been the case, he of course was horridly wrong. But, consider what this take means for the future.
Ever hear of "defensive medicine?" It's one of the practices that keeps health-care costs up. Defensive medicine is the practice of ordering up tests that the physician is sure aren't necessary, in order to exhaust the possibility that the patient isn't afflicted with some illness that's very hard to detect in a routine examination. Why? Because of a lynch-mob mentality in the courts that equates honest mistakes with culpable negligence.
Look, if you will, at the coming era of "defensive athletics." The lesson learned by any non-clueless administrator is that a coach or an assistant coach who's accused of molesting children, whether those accusations are substantiated or not, has to be either suspended or canned outright.
Now: imagine, if you will, a less-than-ethical competitor who's skilled at working the rumour mill. Granted that such malignments (or slanders) are mud that won't stick in some cases, but in some cases it will. Particularly, at the high-school level.
What better way to take down the state champ than to spread that mud around and impugn the school's coach?
As I said, welcome to the era of defensive athletics. Given the emotionality, it's a safe bet that miscarriages of justice will be part of it.
The fines are to be paid into an endowment for non-university programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims, the NCAA said.
How does he do that when in September 2001 at the behest of Spanier and Schultz the Board of Trustees of the University approved the sale of a parcel of land to Sandusky's charity The Second Mile.
Paterno had no responsibility for Sandusky's emeritus status and the deal he struck with the university brass which gave him access to university facilities.
However the Board of The Second Mile Board was told of Sandusky's behaviour in 2001. Who are those people and what did they do???
How many years did Paterno have to do something about it? And that whole time, people including myself, still bought into the myth that Joe was somehow different than the others, that Penn State did things right. To keep this stuff under wraps as long as it was kept under wraps took involvement from a lot of parties, it only took ONE person to do the right thing and to bring justice, and it didn’t happen, until conveniently, Joe passed Eddie Robinson for most wins.
As I understand it, if you are a member of the NCAA you must have control, as a school administration, over your sports programs otherwise the NCAA can impose punishments.
Are Spanier and his wife still employed by Penn State as teachers? If they are and if I was a student or alumni, I could not accept that.
The report only takes a couple of hours to read through. The fonts are large.
If you read the report Curley met with the executive director and told him that someone saw Sandusky in the locker room shower with a boy and felt uncomfortable with situation and concluded that nothing inappropriate occurred.
If that’s so, why didnt Barry S turn Sandusky in? Is he complicite in this?
the players are still allowed to play football at penn state or any college that would have them . If they are talented enough they will rise above the other players and have an opportunity in the nfl . They still get a free education at pennstate or any college that would have them. They can take their scholarship to any college even though that school already has the maximum 85. The only embarrassment for them is the possibility of losing to IU at homecoming. Go IU.
If Paterno thought McQueary wasn't a credible witness and was motivated by jealousy or other malicious intentions - why was he given a job for the next decade plus?
Would you want someone prone to making up wild accusations around your organization for the next decade?
The mother who was concerned about her son showering with Sandusky was motivated by jealousy?
Who concluded??? That was THE incident. Here from USA Today:
March 1, 2002: A graduate assistant (this week identified as current Penn State receivers coach Mike McQueary) sees a naked boy, “Victim 2,” whose age he estimates at 10, being sexually assaulted by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.
March 2, 2002: McQueary reports what he has seen to Joe Paterno.
March 3, 2002: Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State’s athletics director, to his home and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.
March 2002: Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Gary Schultz, senior vice president for finance and business. The graduate assistant reports what he has seen, and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.
About March 27, 2002: The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told Sandusky’s locker room keys are taken away and the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police, and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies to the grand jury in December 2010.
The Second Mile was told. Curley, Schulz, Spanier were all told. What more was Paterno supposed to do???
1. Ex-Fbi chief suggests the report would be legit, commissioned by Penn State.
2. The ncaa rule they broke was “lack of institutional control”, meaning the university didnt have the desire or means to oversee how the athletic program was run. The administration itself was complicit in the scandal as well the head of the board of trustees, who knew of the investigation yet told only 2 or 3 of the 33 board members. The board might have been able to take a proactive stance and cleared the air years ago.
3. It penalizes psu’s ability to win a bunch of games. The games will still be played, the coaching staff and members of the athletic department aren’t losing their jobs, the local economy still benefits from the 5 or 6 home game weekends, and no one is being denied an education.
PSU brought in $270,000,000+ in donations this year from alumni, way above their usual take, adding to their $1,800,000,000 endowment.
“Paterno had no responsibility for Sandusky’s emeritus status and the deal he struck with the university brass which gave him access to university facilities.”
You must be delusional if you think Paterno didn’t have any input into that deal. JoePa had just told Jerry he was no longer the heir apparent. He and Joe probably negotiated the deal themselves.
You doth protest too much. Your dates are off by one year.
First off after the 2001 Sandusky engaged in improper conduct with at least two children in the Lash Building. Those assaults may well have been prevented if Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley had taken additional actions to safequard children on Unicersity facilties.
Second at no time did any of these people inquire into the well being of the child. Paterno never did and I conclude that these people did not care.
In September of that same year Penn State sells a parcel of land to Second Mile and Schultz issues a press release lauding Sandusky.
What do I think Paterno should have done? He should have been a man and called the police and help them try to find the victim.
Read the report -- pgs 20-21. Freeh says that Schulz negotiated the deal.
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