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Woman Lives In Spacious Brooklyn Loft Rent-Free For Past Six Years
cbslocal ^ | June 8, 2012

Posted on 06/14/2012 7:56:50 AM PDT by JoeProBono

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1 posted on 06/14/2012 7:56:56 AM PDT by JoeProBono
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To: JoeProBono

It’s amazing what people can rationalize.


2 posted on 06/14/2012 8:05:33 AM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: andyk
Rent control is an abomination ~ so are the alternatives in high density urban areas.

I suppose the problems there could be resolved with requirements that all leases be for 20 year minimum periods, but that's not the issue here.

This is a BUILDING CODE ISSUE. The landlord agreed to "maintenance" in order to get occupancy permits so he could rent his space to people to live in ~ remember, even New York has its standards, minimal though they may be, but they got 'em and he agreed to it.

He didn't keep up his end of the bargain ~ he violated the terms of the contract ~ he loses.

She lived in a crummy dump of an apartment for free.

I have no problem with that outcome at all. You sign an agreement with someone (he with the zoning folks) you should abide by it or GIT OUT THE BIZNESS

3 posted on 06/14/2012 8:14:30 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JoeProBono

“Artist Margaret Maugenest, 60”

Another 1 of those, eh? Based on the story, the LL was not able to fix/replace what the tenant asked for, ending up in this mess.


5 posted on 06/14/2012 8:18:07 AM PDT by max americana
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To: muawiyah

pretty much what you said. Although the apartment doesn’t look like a crummy dump by Brooklyn standards.


6 posted on 06/14/2012 8:18:38 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: andyk

Yeah, that woman had some nerve to expect the landlord to provide gas and hot water in her apartment in a building that isn’t on the verge of collapse.


7 posted on 06/14/2012 8:18:42 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: andyk

I actually side with her (so far). No gas? No hot water? Sounds like the textbook slum lord.


8 posted on 06/14/2012 8:19:36 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: MrEdd

A $600/month rent? In NYC....I don’t hardly see how the LL is ‘bum’....any way you look at it ‘value’ is ‘value’ and a $600/month rent has to assume some inconveniences. Automatically assuming that a landlord is assuming the tenant cannot fight it legally is absurd - she did, and with the legal mentality in NYC, she won.

Rent control is socialism, just like progressive income taxes. If you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. I sure as hell wouldn’t rent anything I own to you.


9 posted on 06/14/2012 8:22:06 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: JoeProBono

No hot water? She never showers?


10 posted on 06/14/2012 8:26:41 AM PDT by DonkeyBonker
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To: babble-on
She said there's some rotting support members ~ New York is pretty rough on all kinds of support members. I recall going with a survey team down in the bowels of the Farley Station in NYC (a postal facility). The stray electric current from the various electrified rail systems there was sufficient to have helped corrode away the base on steel girders! The whole huge heaping building was no longer tied to the bedrock!

We responded to that problem by making plans for other, newer, better buildings to move to ~ one of which was the New York Bulk and Foreign Facility. They pushed some pilings down too deep and tapped NATURAL GAS. That required spending $60 million on gigantic fans to blow the gas out from under the half billion dollar structure so it was safe to work in.

Just all sorts of things happen around there.

BTW, by Brooklyn standards her apartment looks great ~ it has a ceiling, fire safety system (those water pipes), windows ~ I know a young lady who's a friend of the family who lived for 8 or 9 months in an INTERIOR room that'd formerly been the hallway entrance for half a dozen other one room apartments. No airflow, no heat, no cooling, no independent control of the lights, and so forth. New York thought that was just great.

11 posted on 06/14/2012 8:27:32 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JoeProBono

Here in Indiana one has to actually move out of the premesis in order to use landlord non-compliance as an excuse not to pay your rent. You either leave or you owe the rent. (less any monetary damages)


12 posted on 06/14/2012 8:27:40 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: MrEdd

In a Free Market, I’m with you 100%.

However, this is NOT a free market. Rent Controls dictate that the apartment goes for less than $600, when it’s entirely possible that the property taxes on that apartment are that much. There is no money for the landlord to pay to maintain his building. Certainly you don’t think the landlord should be forced to pay money from his pocket, to enable someone to live in the building.

In a FREE Market, the rent would be placed at market value, by the sq. ft. plus ammenities. There would be ample profit for the landlord to hire a maintenance person/team to oversee repairs.

As such, the Landlord is held hostage to getting “something” out of his building, or giving it to the city for failing to pay taxes.

I blame “Rent Control” bought to us all by the “Rent is too damn High” party.


13 posted on 06/14/2012 8:28:58 AM PDT by Hodar (Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see.- A. Schopenhauer)
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To: JoeProBono

I remember when I was in college, my cheap landlord didn’t turn on the heat until November 1. I live in Minnesota too!


14 posted on 06/14/2012 8:34:04 AM PDT by MNDude ( Victimhood is the Holy Grail of liberalism)
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To: Gaffer
I really can not find it in myself to care in any way shape or form what some idiot who thinks no gas or hot water (in a city that gets to thirteen below zero in winter) thinks about anything.

As to renting to me, it wouldn't matter who your tenant was, any non corrupt judge like the one in this story is going to have you not receiving rent if you pull the stupid crap the landlord in this story pulled.

You personally are expressing your basic distaste for the very concept of reciprocal responsibility. It doesn't work that way.

I suggest a different policy than the one you espouse: If you don't intend to fulfill your end of an agreement, don't enter into one. Clearly that would be an entirely new concept for you, but you should try it anyway.

15 posted on 06/14/2012 8:36:35 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Gaffer
Rent control is socialism, just like progressive income taxes. If you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. I sure as hell wouldn’t rent anything I own to you.

What does this have to do with rent control?

16 posted on 06/14/2012 8:38:17 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: andyk

Yeah, rotting wood and no gas for 1 1/2yr, what is she thinking?


17 posted on 06/14/2012 8:39:46 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: muawiyah

“You sign an agreement with someone”

that they were forced to sign via government guns. Walter Williams’ article was spot on the other day. Fascism is when the government can force property owners to take certain actions and then they can blame the property owner for the problems that are caused.....


18 posted on 06/14/2012 8:39:49 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Okay...have a nice day...


19 posted on 06/14/2012 8:40:57 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: MrEdd

You get what you pay for.


20 posted on 06/14/2012 8:42:49 AM PDT by Gaffer
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