Posted on 06/05/2012 1:21:45 PM PDT by moonshot925
Enterprise, Hornet and Yorktown are sunk with their 231 aircraft. The Japs take Midway. All 4 Jap CVs are undamaged.
Can the Japanese launch an invasion of Hawaii before the American carriers roll off the line in 1943?
4 Essex class CVs and 5 Independence class CVLs will be in commission by 1 July 1943.
7 Essex class CVs, 9 Independence class CVLs and 19 Casablanca class CVEs in commission by 1 January 1944.
Rush Limbaugh is Free Trader so its OK. /sarc
All of the "right" wingers who are "Free Traders" should really re-evaluate their position. The private sector unions are already dead, which is a good thing, participation is 7% and falling. The Free Traders need a new canard.
That was a very good article! I just read a thread yesterday that had a chronological “after action” account of the battle. It matches your article perfectly - all that you posted IS accurate. A very interesting post to see how the news can be spun.
They managed to take off from an aircraft carrier, and then crash-landed in China or the Sea of Japan.
That sort of thing doesn't scale-up well.
You have no idea what that attack involved, do you?
Hey... I read that, Larry! Great book!
Wasn’t this one of the star trek movies plot?
“...by the time they got to Yuma.”
Wasn’t that a Glen Campbell song? :-)
“All of the ‘right’ wingers who are ‘Free Traders’ should really re-evaluate their position”
Only if all the saber-rattling Big Government “conservatives” really re-evaluate their implicit faith in the efficiency and honesty of the federal government as regards the defense department and nothing else.
“The private sector unions are already dead, which is a good thing, participation is 7% and falling. The Free Traders need a new canard”
If private unionism is dying, the fight against the public sector has only just begun. Protectionism, anyway, survives the unions. It lives on in the hearts of Big Government advocates of all parties. It lives on in the addled minds of those who are afraid that somehow we won’t be able to fight if China shakes its head and says “Not this time, Joe.” This at a time when we’re fighting at least two wars, when our military is so much bigger than it was in 1941 that it’s misleading to call them by the same name, and when we have a larger productive capacity by far than before WWII. Likely story.
“their implicit faith in the efficiency and honesty of the federal government as regards the defense department and nothing else”
I should say more than anything else. Neocons trust all sorts of things, like the entire New Deal superstructure and especially particular favorites like corn subsidies. But defense is their favorite part of the welfare/warfare state, and they will die before China takes it over, even if the Yellow Peril is a phantom.
There’s a big difference between a free market and so-called “free trade”. The latter allows those that do not believe in a free market to participate, and by so doing to undermine those who do believe in a free market. Mercantilists can walk away with the whole store . . .
B36 from CONUS
They would have never taken Hawaii. They did not have the logistic base to support a sustained enemy resistance.If the United States had been better prepared in the PI, they would have never taken them. We would have developed and placed in full production the Hellcat fighter, the Avenger torpedo/dive bomber along with the necessary carriers and support ships. Meanwhile, our submarines would have taken a heavy toll of their supply ships, including oilers and takers.
“We didn’t start from scratch in either world war. We had our industrial infrastructure in place.”
Um, we have a much a bigger industrial infrastructure in place now. Or have you been duped by reports of outsourcing, the vanishing blue collar class, “the death of the middle class,” etc.? Is it really possible to believe we can build less, that our technology is any less advanced, that our capital has somehow shrunk since nearly a century ago. However bad was the recent recession and however anemic is the so-called recovery the WWII buildup took place amidst the freaking Great Depression! Do you honestly think we’d produce less now?
Yes, it’s true that China, for instance, employs more people in manufacturing and that less of our consumer products than before are made overseas. But if you knew anything about how economies expand, you’d know proper capital formation means more efficiency and less workers. If you knew anything about comparative advantage you’d know it’s in our interest to let other nations do what they do, even if they do it worse than we do, and focus on other, higher things.
The truth remains: the U.S. is more productive than it’s ever been. You may not notice if all you pay attention to is abandoned factories with tumbleweeds in the parking lots on the nightly news. But we make stuff.
I purchased and enjoyed “Halsey’s Bluff”...nice job, LS!
“less of our consumer products than before are made overseas”
Less are made here, I meant. More overseas.
Fletcher’s downfall was his somewhat unfairly perceived timidity in the Solomons a few months later. I say unfairly, because he had to safeguard the remaining carrier a bit.
Nice rhetorical reply. Funny you can’t provide a single example and our stores continue to be swamped with items labeled “Made In China”, we still have counterfeit Chinese chips in our military equipment, and we still buy Airbus refuelers and Eurocopters while canceling domestic orders from Boeing—and our steel gets sold to us by Russia and China while I look at the skeleton of the former Bethlehem Steel, ad nauseam. Your puffery rapidly fizzles into “we make stuff” . . . sorry, but until I’m surrounded by “Made In USA” labels in the stores and we don’t have reports of almost half the families in the country receiving some kind of government assistance, never mind our public debt shrinking instead of inexorably growing, or having our domestic companies being bought lock, stock and barrel by alien firms, until we lend to China and get them to do what we tell them instead of vice versa, I will remain firmly convinced of my current point of view.
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