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Midway at 70
NY Post ^ | June 4, 2012 | Arthur Herman

Posted on 06/04/2012 7:56:37 AM PDT by C19fan

On June 4, 1942, a battle off Midway Island marked the dawn of the United States Navy as the most powerful sea force in the world. Seventy years later, a civilian “battle” may doom its reach and power for good. Then the enemy was imperial Japan. Today, it’s the administration and Congress, who seem unable or unwilling to stop defense cuts that will leave America vulnerable and the world more dangerous. We’re fast approaching the point where the US Navy can no longer guarantee the safety of the world’s sea lanes, on which our economic future depends.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: midway; worldwar2

1 posted on 06/04/2012 7:56:47 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

The Japanese lost the pride of their fleet at Midway. Kaga, Akagi, Hiryu and Soryu.


2 posted on 06/04/2012 9:16:27 AM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925
Plus the heavy cruiser Mikuma which had slowed down to keep pace and provide escort for Mogami, its damaged sister ship.

We lost the carrier Yorktown and one destroyer, the USS Hammann which was towing her. Interestingly, Yorktown survived the battle and was being towed back to Pearl Harbor for repairs when it encountered a Japanese submarine I-168 which sank the crippled Yorktown and her tow.

Japanese naval protocol viewed submarines as extensions of warships and considered our far more effective employment of them against merchant vessels rather than other warships as cowardly.

3 posted on 06/04/2012 9:35:03 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: C19fan

And today there is another attempt to revive the “Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere”, only this time, it’s China doing it.


4 posted on 06/04/2012 9:39:33 AM PDT by dfwgator
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USS Hammann was guarding the Yorktown when it was torpedoed along with the carrier. In a tragic irony, many of the Hammann’s crew were killed in the water when the sunken destroyer’s depth charges exploded.

IJN Mogami and Mikuma are an interesting contrast. Wary to the threat of further air attack, the Mogami’s damage control officer had ordered the cruiser’s torpedoes jettisoned, over the angry objection of the ship’s torpedo officer. When the next wave of bombers hit, both cruisers were attacked...and the Mikuma took a hit amidships that detonated its torpedoes, fatally crippling the cruiser.

The Japanese Navy had an interesting (and strict) protocol of priorities for torpedo use...IIRC cargo ships were to be attacked only if no warships (i.e. a more worthy target) were in the vicinity, and then only one torpedo was to be expended on a cargo ship. Even with that, like you noted, many (but not all) Japanese sub skippers passed up easy merchant shipping targets in anticipation that they might find a “worthy” warship later on.


5 posted on 06/04/2012 10:07:40 AM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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Thanks! Very interesting additional details. Freeper forums bring out some of the most knowledgeable people around . . . more than enough to make up for the dingbats who waste bandwidth.
6 posted on 06/04/2012 10:19:44 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: moonshot925

Mostly, the Japanese lost the pilots - who were irreplaceable.


7 posted on 06/04/2012 10:32:18 AM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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To: M1903A1

In addition, a destroyer rated one torpedo, a cruiser two, and no more than three for a battleship or carrier.


8 posted on 06/04/2012 10:34:01 AM PDT by Ingtar ("As the light begins to fade in the city on the hill")
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That part I remember. And given the quality of Japanese torpedoes (especially the Type 93 “Long Lance” design mounted on destroyers and cruisers) and the documented successes they had in action, I doubt more would have been necessary!


9 posted on 06/04/2012 2:29:32 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Ingtar

Yes. Even the Japanese recognized this later on...one Japanese admiral (I want to say either Kurita or Ugaki) likened the aerial disaster of Saipan—which went down in American history as the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot—to throwing eggs against a stone wall.


10 posted on 06/04/2012 2:41:14 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Ingtar
Mostly, the Japanese lost the pilots - who were irreplaceable.
1942 was a very bad year for their navy. At Coral Sea, the IJN lost quite a few pilots. That is why Zuikaku was not at Midway, even though she was undamaged. Midway was a disaster and was followed up by the Guadalcanal Campaign, which was a meat grinder for both sides. We held off the Japanese navy and killed hundreds of their pilots, at the cost of two of our aircraft carriers. Fortunately, the Japanese were too weakened to take advantage of the fact that our only remaining carrier was the USS Enterprise.

The Imperial Japanese Navy believed in washing out 90% of pilot trainees. All well and good for a short war, but murder in a long war. Paired with the callous lack of concern for pilot safety in aircraft design, the results were disaster.

11 posted on 06/04/2012 5:44:14 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: moonshot925

The Japanese lost the pride of their fleet at Midway. Kaga, Akagi, Hiryu and Soryu.


On my desk is a copy of “Joe Rochefort’s War”, by Elliot Carlson.

Fabulous story of the Naval officer who broke the IJN code and set the trap at Midway..a true hero.

I also recommend “A Dawn Like Thunder”..the story of Torpedo 8..Gallant men.


12 posted on 06/04/2012 6:07:34 PM PDT by AFret. ("Charlie don't surf ! ")
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