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“That’s nothing more than a story being told by a third party about someone else making cold fusion claims. I’m mad at myself again for giving you too much credit, even though I wasn’t giving you that much credit in the first place.”

My error. There were supposed to be two different “clickable” links. But evidently I was right in that you were too lazy to cut and paste the other link. So here it is:

http://ecatsite.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/nasa_1989.pdf

The Arata link was a freebie I found while looking up the NASA stuff. But the information there provides an excellent summary of the work Arata did in researching CF. The “gory details” ARE available (notably the references at the end of the linked document), but also from LENR/CANR.org:

http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&safe=off&site=&source=hp&q=LENR%2FCANR.org+arata&oq=LENR%2FCANR.org+arata&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=hp.3...1919l5776l0l6093l19l19l0l3l3l0l89l856l16l16l0.frgbld.

This is particularly interesting:

http://www.researchgate.net/topic/Low_Energy_Nuclear_Reactions_LENR/post/Arata_replication_by_Kitamura_et_al_and_Kidwell_et_al


106 posted on 04/11/2012 6:42:30 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
My error. There were supposed to be two different “clickable” links.

http://ecatsite.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/nasa_1989.pdf

First, let me say what a pleasure it is to read something from NASA from a time when they valued quality rather than hype. This 1989 reference is a technical memo. It's not a formal scientific document that's been suppressed for over 20 years. The authors made it clear that they were attempting to detect excess neutrons, which they didn't. They said their result was negative and that was that.

For the benefit of those who do not wish to read further, we state that our neutron---detector counts for palladium in vacuum, palladium in deuterium, and palladium in hydrogen did not differ significantly and we were unable to detect evidence of the second reaction.
They didn't make any hyped up claims saying they could use the small amount of heat as an energy source. They simply said it was a mystery. Neither did they recommend further testing. The authors seemed unimpressed with the results. The memo was unclassified. Why in the world would anybody suppress such a mundane memo that claimed a negative result?
107 posted on 04/11/2012 11:31:09 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
The other 2009 NASA PDF you listed is mostly superficial hype, however it references a similar PDF found here which contains good recommendations for further testing.
•More loading/unloading data on the temperature evolution of the loading/unloading process should be collected

•Analysis of the gas samples collected should be performed to look for evidence of tritium or helium
–Mass spectrum analysis and optical emission spectrum analysis should be able to identify gas species in the samples
–Existence of either in the sample would indicate a nuclear origin for the anomalous heating

•Further examination of the thermodynamics of hydrogen absorption in palladium should be pursued to fully quantify the extent of the observed heating effects

•Improve experiment controls:
–Upgrade Purifier heater control
–Improve loading/unloading process timing
–Fabricate in-house palladium samples
–Improve neutron and gamma radiation detection

It's clear they aren't claiming nuclear reactions as a source for the heat yet, but are recommending good tests to find out whether it is. So if this is so important why haven't these recommended tests been carried out yet?
108 posted on 04/11/2012 11:46:33 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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