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To: OKSooner

Your question is asking about the doctrine, not mormons in general, which, in reading the responses indicates many can’t tell the difference.

I suppose I shouldn’t answer, being an ex-mormon, I’ve already seen attempts to marginalize any response I may give. I’m bound to be considered; “without authority to speak on the matter”, a “moonbat”, a “mormon hater”, etc. but I will anyway.

In a nutshell, the doctrines and teachings of mormonism that deal with salvation are in direct conflict with Christianity. The nature of Christ is in direct conflict with established Christian teachings.

The lack of any evidences of the civilizations described in the BoM provide additional proof that the BoM is a fraud. The false prophecies of not only JS, but others proves they were false prophets as warned of in the Bible.

There is much more, but the entire construct of mormonism is built upon a faulty premise that God and Christ not only got it wrong numerous times in the Bible, but that they were also liars.

The Bible says that the next time Jesus shows up we’ll all know about it. He won’t sneak into the woods to see one man.

I guess the question is; Who lied, God or JS?

The mormons themselves, are for the most part, good and decent people. They’ve just elected to suspend belief and follow a religion that depends on marginalizing God and Christ as nothing more than exalted men and errant at that.


88 posted on 02/10/2012 3:56:07 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: SZonian
BIG>I guess the question is; Who lied, God or JS?

 
THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
51–57, Emma Smith is counseled (commanded) to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
 
51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.
 
 

Whatever HAPPENED to Emma???
 
Eliza was a devout Mormon.
At age 38, she became Joseph Smith's 14th plural wife (in addition to Smith's lawful wife, Emma).
In 1842, after learning Eliza was pregnant, Emma Smith beat Eliza with a broomstick and
knocked her down a flight of stairs, causing Eliza to miscarry Smith's baby.
 
Wow!!
 
I guess ol' Emma got VAPORIZED by GOD!!!
 
We know that multiply him thing sure didn't work out!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Joseph_Smith,_Jr.

182 posted on 02/12/2012 5:26:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SZonian

The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.
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58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.


 

58 Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.

60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.

64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.

66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.


183 posted on 02/12/2012 5:27:11 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: SZonian
I suppose I shouldn’t answer, being an ex-mormon, I’ve already seen attempts to marginalize any response I may give. I’m bound to be considered; “without authority to speak on the matter”, a “moonbat”, a “mormon hater”, etc. but I will anyway.

Just consider the source.

With a screenname like THAT; he OBVIOUSly is channelling Porter Rockwell - famous (infamous?) Danite of the MORMON church.

185 posted on 02/12/2012 5:32:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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