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Basejumper Felix Baumgartner to break sound barrier with leap from the edge of space
Telegraph ^ | 2-7-12

Posted on 02/07/2012 11:05:54 AM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Basejumper Felix Baumgartner will attempt to break the speed of sound by freefalling from the edge of space, nearly 23 miles up, above Roswell.

It is the ultimate in parachute jumps: from the edge of space, Felix Baumgartner will leap from a balloon, plummeting to the ground 120,000 feet below.

Currently preparing in New Mexico, Baumgartner - who has previously made headlines with the lowest base jump ever recorded, off the Christ the Redeemer statue in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil and for crossing the English Channel in freefall - was calmness personified as he explained what the incredible leap will involve.

He said: "We're going up to 120,000 feet in a pressurised capsule hanging underneath a helium balloon and at altitude the balloon will level off.

"I'm going to step off that capsule, fall down for a couple of minutes and hopefully I'm going to break the speed of sound."

To be more precise, after 35 seconds he will expect to break the sound barrier, and finally, at 5,000 feet he will deploy a parachute and – hopefully – land safely on the ground.

During his 10-minute journey to earth the Austrian will travel at more than 690 miles per hour inside a special suit, which must protect him from temperatures as low as -94 degrees F.

He will rely on its oxygen tanks as the air is too thin to breathe – and hope that the sheer force of the fall does not make him blackout.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: felixbaumgartner; kittinger; spacediving; spacejump
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Thanks Jack,

So, based on your comment, and what I read on the web, Altitude is not a factor in calculating the speed of sound. Temperature (density) is the determining factor. So, at 120k ft @ -94F, the speed of sound is 638.97 mph.
41 posted on 02/07/2012 12:29:51 PM PST by jaydubya2
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To: mamelukesabre
Havn’t you ever noticed at high elevations, like on a mountain, you see things before you hear the sound they make?

That is always the case, noticeable at significant distances.

The speed of light is always going to be far greater than the speed of sound, at any elevation.

42 posted on 02/07/2012 12:33:08 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: gymbeau

not only will he slow down, he will heat up.


43 posted on 02/07/2012 12:33:39 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: jaydubya2

Altitude *IS* a factor. The higher up you go in the column of air, the lower the weight of the atmosphere above it.


44 posted on 02/07/2012 12:35:48 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: thackney

When you are over a mile up, it is noticeable at much less than significant distances.


45 posted on 02/07/2012 12:37:50 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: cpdiii
and then experience G forces

He is free falling, not rocket propelled. He is not going to experience more than 1 G. Gravity and friction are the only forces involved.

During de-acceleration he may have greater force through his harness, but before.

46 posted on 02/07/2012 12:38:00 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

It has been done before, so it is survivable.


47 posted on 02/07/2012 12:44:04 PM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: jaydubya2

That sounds about right.

If you want to see what it is like to drop from 94,000+ feet watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl2OIQMbZhg

I think what would be a fun project to do is make an R/C skydiving dummy that you would drop from a balloon. Once it gets into range pop the chute and guide it back for a landing.


48 posted on 02/07/2012 12:49:42 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

What an idiot.
I hope he enjoys breaking the sound barrier before deploying his chute. It will probably be the last thing he ever experiences except for frictional heating.


49 posted on 02/07/2012 12:51:06 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Defeat Obama. End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: 6SJ7

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50 posted on 02/07/2012 12:53:45 PM PST by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

Note: 120MPH is based on a lot of assumptions as well - not the least of which being a large, stable ‘box man’ position. It is also just a rough estimate.

At a given weight, larger jumpers will be slower than smaller jumpers. A tight ‘mantis’ position will be faster than an open ‘box man’ position. Head down will be significantly faster than flat.

I’ve personally achieved speeds of approximately 160MPH in freefall while flat, though my average fall rate has been closer to about 135MPH...


51 posted on 02/07/2012 12:59:33 PM PST by nite97m
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To: gymbeau

Terminal velocity is when the forces of gravity on an object reach a homeostatic point with the resistance of the medium that is being traversed. By going to an altitude of 120,000+ feet, he’s hoping to accelerate as much as he can in a virtually frictionless environment where the forces to counter the acceleration from gravity are mitigated.


52 posted on 02/07/2012 1:13:06 PM PST by Melas (u)
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53 posted on 02/07/2012 1:17:31 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I heard his interview. The air was so sparse up there that when he stepped clear of the gondola he felt like he was just floating. He had to look back at the balloon receding to verify he was actually falling.


54 posted on 02/07/2012 1:17:49 PM PST by Blogatron (Brought to you by The American Frog Council; 'Frog - The other green meat')
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
So this guy hopes to break the current world record by 76 mph? The physics don't support it.

Show me how the physics don't support it. I did the math, and the physics seem to support it on this end. Given that terminal velocity of an object increases by 1% for approx every 160m of altitude he's on more than safe ground.

He's giving himself almost 12,000m more elevation than the previous record holder used to set the record. That's not only a substantial increase in time to accelerate, but it will occur in an atmosphere with markedly less friction to boot. He should be close to the old record by the time he reaches the altitude that attempt started at. He's still going to have a good 10,000m after that before resistance becomes the greater force and he begins to scrub speed.

Which bring up another concern: Parachute aside, he's going to start slowing down a lot once he enters the troposphere, and that energy has to go somewhere, and it will. He's going to heat up. All that kinetic energy is going to be converted into heat.

55 posted on 02/07/2012 1:31:54 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Already been done, an american test pilot or some such did this a long time ago.. but nice to see someone else deciding to try it.. I wouldn’t mind doing the whole ride to the edge of space, would be hell of a lot cheaper than a rocket ship.


56 posted on 02/07/2012 1:40:06 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: jaydubya2
So, based on your comment, and what I read on the web, Altitude is not a factor in calculating the speed of sound. Temperature (density) is the determining factor. So, at 120k ft @ -94F, the speed of sound is 638.97 mph.

Yeah, but how aren't temperature and density related to altitude? For all practical purposes, the two are one and the same. The higher you go, the colder and less dense the atmosphere. Even the thermosphere isn't really an exception. You might find molecules and atoms exited to temperatures that would melt concrete, but the molecules are so far apart (kilometers) that you'd flash freeze if you stepped out into it. Even if you came into contact with any of the superheated gasses, the total amount of energy would be so slight, that you couldn't physically detect it without advanced instruments.

57 posted on 02/07/2012 1:41:46 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Kittinger’s jump from 102,800 feet is on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n2AICdVv3g


58 posted on 02/07/2012 1:45:36 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Why, yes. I AM in a bad mood.)
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To: mamelukesabre
Havn’t you ever noticed at high elevations, like on a mountain, you see things before you hear the sound they make?

That happens at sealevel... or anywhere. The speed of light is vastly higher than the speed of sound ANYWHERE.
59 posted on 02/07/2012 1:53:45 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Melas
He's going to heat up. All that kinetic energy is going to be converted into heat.

I should have been more clear. That's what I meant when I said the physics don't support it. IF he gets the rest of it correct and approaches the SOS...he won't survive and he'll start burning up before he hits that mark....thus seriously messing with his aerodynamics and keeping him short of the mark.

60 posted on 02/07/2012 1:57:29 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Do all He commands. Receive all He promises.)
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