You both may not be familiar with Pauls views:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1944714/posts
It is scary to think our debt was only 1.56 trillion when Ron Paul gave that speech. Now our debt is quickly approaching 16 trillion , over 100% of our GDP. Between the massive welfare state and being policemen of the world we are on a path of self destruction.