Posted on 10/28/2011 10:59:24 PM PDT by Kevmo
Those same guys are meeting this weekend in New Mexico and they claim something big is going to happen ~ they don't know what it is ~ but it's GLOBAL WARMING.
Gots' to watch who you want to go with. Latest story this morning is that the latest effort to prove AGW proved that Global Warming has stopped cold.
Now, about "mainstream physics", what's your take on the Korean atom bomb? Is it real, is it fake, and how is it they do those big explosions just short of what we can do?
Thanks
I received this today from my friend. He is a doctor, and was a senior scientist at Sandia Labs. He is also a big energy conservation guy, and pays attention to all the news.
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I have read several reports of the E-Cat test done in Bologna, Italy yesterday, and have come away completely unimpressed. The demonstration is a series of hidden measurements, none of which can be verified. More to the point, the easiest and most direct evidence that the device “worked “ would simply be to heat a pool of stationary water whose temperature can easily be measured and whose mass is known. Instead, the “inventor” chose to use moving water and steam as evidence of net energy production, making it simply impossible to verify.
Looks like a big scam to me. If the inventor really wanted to show the world what he had done he would have not only used a difficult-to-fake energy measurement (that is, heating water) but also include radiation measurements from inside the mysterious apparatus to show that nuclear effects were taking place. The inventor claims he didn’t do these things because this wasn’t so much a public demonstration, but rather one to convince his investor that the device did what he claims it will do, and as such he didn’t want to reveal anything to potential competitors (or, of course, to the conventional energy interests who would move to squash the results if they were truly convincing).
No need to abandon liquid fossil fuels yet.
I think that once the details are known, all of the scams of this sort seem "amateurish". It's the skill of hiding the details from the "mark" that distinguishes the successful scam artist from the unsuccessful.
Choosing and manipulating the mark is the key to success. It has to be someone who is so eager to gain by the proposed discovery that they will tolerate disappointments and continual denial of critical information.
Now we are evidently to believe that Rossi's purchaser is going to pay money to buy a unit capable of generating 470 kw for six hours but requires a running generator next to it capable of producing 500 kw.
It was entertaining reading about Turner and his involvement in the scam involving the use of dial-up circuits for high-bandwidth. I completely disagree with Turner's politics. But I respect the guy's judgement in having purchased a mountain of entertainment products for a pittance.
As a wise man once said, "A man's got to know his limitations". Turner's limitation was a lack of scientific skills that would keep him out of trouble while pursuing a technical product and a lack of skepticism when a charlatan failed to provide critical information. The combination is a recipe for losing a lot of money.
It's inductively obvious that Rossi is dishonest.
Do you think it a chemical reaction? If not, would claiming it was be ethical?
If the thing does actually work, eventually real engineers will get involved with the scale up, and instead of bunch of tiny units they will have one big unit. This assumes the phenomena works on a larger scale. IF it does not then this will be a nightmare of small devices. These things will then be used for heating and cooling- homes and offices. (Using a lithium bromide chiller, requires a heat source - and this could be that very cheap heat source, taking a big bite out of electric demand.)
It sounds like the AP is not publishing its story.
The world is far too skeptical.
Your statement makes no sense at all.
Rossi didn’t even claim to be revealing anything to his ‘customer.’ He claims only to be selling machines.
>> “ IF it does not then this will be a nightmare of small devices” <<
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Wrong!
It would be a godsend of small devices that would promote individual freedom rather than slavery to a monopoly.
>> “Do you think it a chemical reaction?” <<
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As described, it would have to be a nuclear reaction, since the balance of chemical elements is stated to change.
>> “You’re turning things around. The only burden the investors have is TO INVEST. The burden to prove innovation will still be with Rossi.” <<
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Only if the investors are that savvy. If they fail to make Rossi prove his claims, and the claims turn out to be false, they are responsible for their own loss, since it would be based in gullibility and their own unquestioning greed.
It remains impossible to swindle an honest man.
This is like that flying car that never gets anywhere, although the car does fly a little.
Pretty neat stuff if it all pans out.
***Yeah, but no matter how attractive it is, I recommend you do not hit it.
I don't think that is true at all. It is certainly easier to entice the dishonest, but that is not a requirement.
My SPAM filter showed an email from PAYPAL that could fool someone whose english wasn't very good. They would not have to be dishonest to have supplied all the information one would need to tap their PAYPAL account.
HEY KEVMO, IS THE DEGREE FAKE OR NOT?
Idiot.
That’s the closed-minded attitude I would expect from a “true believer”.
***That’s because you haven’t been reading these threads. I like LENR. I don’t care one way or another about Rossi. You’re taking it from the perspective of how this is the next scam and isn’t it interesting compared to other scams. I’m taking the perspective that this is the latest development in LENR. I don’t care enough about scams to click on links to them.
So, you admit that he’s lying about his credentials, but you have no trouble believing everything he says about his E-Cat,
***Wrong again. If it were only Rossi’s claims, I’d toss them like yesterday’s garbage. But there are others involved, such as Focardi who has been well known in LENR circles. And there’s Levi, who was a skeptic looking to make sure that Unibo did not get caught in a fraud.
even though, when you eliminate Rossi’s unsubstantiated claims, there’s nothing left.
***Straw argument. Rossi’s claims are substantiated. For this to be a fraud, a bunch of others would have to be in on it. It becomes an untenable conspiracy theory.
I guess denial is as powerful a force as greed.
***I guess you can lead a horse to the water of inductive reasoning but you can’t make him drink from it.
I do not think it is a chemical reaction. Claiming it was chemical would have led to Pons & Fleischmann continuing for years in their positions, generating tons of data instead of being keel-hauled out of town by the hot fusion boys. Was the treatment of Pons&Fleischmann ethical? Hell no.
The fact is, the main reason why they thought it couldn’t be chemical was that it generated far more heat than any known chemical reaction could generate. They could easily have said it was an unknown chemical reaction and they’re looking into it. Yes I think that such an approach would have been ethical.
You scored 5% on Usefulness, 90% loudness factor, 7% knowledgeability, and 4% on scientific method!
I’ll take your nonsensical reply as an admission by you that you know Rossi’s degree is fake, but you really don’t care.
You’re either on Rossi’s payroll, or lack essential critical thinking skills.
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