Let me respond to your posts by saying this. I am a former birther. I was aware of this ineligibility question about 4 months prior to Obama’s election, when Philip Berg brought the issue forth. I thought it was intruiging, so I began to follow it.
I noticed that the cases were being dumped with the reason that there is no standing to sue, because he isn’t president yet. But then, after he became president, cases were being tossed due to lack of standing because everyone was equally injured...After every single case and every possible argument was tossed, it became clear to me that no one in authority wanted to touch this. I was angered by this, as were many others.
So I thought to myself, I cannot keep investing myself in these cases only to have my hopes crushed, honestly it was infuriating, and it’s tough to live with a high level of anger.
One day I heard Mark Steyn speak directly to a well reasoned birther who called into Rush’s show. Steyn offered a very reasoned counter argument to the NBC situation, saying that of all the things one can hold Obama accountable for, you want to hold him accountable for the one thing he isn’t responsible for, his location of birth.
It was at this time that it began to dawn on me that all those things we can hold him accountable for, we simply overlooked, or didn’t pay attention, or simply didn’t care, and now, mostly after the fact, we want to call foul and say oh no, it didn’t count, you were never qualified, and we are going to get a judge to toss you out.
Such a course of action, should it succeed, presents a number of problems. It ignores the fact that we, the electorate, chose to ignore his myraid flaws, including being a marxist, a muslim, and a fraud. I still believe that he isn’t who he says he is, and that his documantation is in fact false.
However, should any given judge take it upon himself to oust the president, then we have a situation where an unelected offical has considerably more power than the elected president of america, and thus, more power than anyone in the country. If we can use a judge to remove a president, even for a valid reason, then so can they, and I trust their reasons won’t be valid, and I also trust that there are plenty of left wing judges who would go along with that.
It also opens the whole possibility of people rioting, because they don’t like it, and if ever done to our guys, then we may riot for the same reason. It changes the balance of government utterly should we go down that path. And we would go down that path all in an effort to not be held accountable for something we allowed to happen on our watch as free people.
This is why I have come to the opinion that we caused this, and we must solve it. We have to find a way to convince those who weren’t smart enough or observant enough in 2008 that we can never allow this to happen again.
As a free person, I don’t want to put the job of guarding my freedom in the hands of a person in a black robe. I don’t trust those in black robes whatsoever. I want to put the job of guarding America’s freedom in the hands of those who have the most to lose, and that is her people.
Truly, if we whom are free do not see fit to guard that freedom by voting smartly, then no judge can save of from the tyranny we hoist upon ourselves.
I believe we must demonstrate our fierce will to be from to anyone who wishes to take it, be they from outside this country or from within. They must fear us, not for violence, but for our intellect. If they look at us as stupid, then they will attack our freedom, as they are doing now.
If we fail to do that, then we will demonstrate for all other people, those here now and those to come, that a free society is but a mere and fleeting illusion to the the usual tyranny of mankind.
While I agree that the constitution is and should be a failsafe to prevent situtions like this from occurring, that fact of the matter is, it did not prevent it, as our taking for granted our freedom proved too formidable for even the constitution of the United States Of America.
Thus we are the last line of defense, you and me and Fantasywriter and everyone else who loves America. So let us defend our freedom with our God given right to vote.
Well-said, and that is what I very much want to do. If the R’s don’t botch it, it is exactly what I will do.
But it seems like the R’s don’t “get it”.
For instance, would it change Mark Steyn’s view at all if he really realized that the Obama machine was responsible for conservative and liberal on-air personalities being told they or their families could be killed if they or any of their guests brought up the eligibility issue? We’re not talking about some theoretical Marxist coup being dreamed up by Obama’s buddies 40 years ago; we’re talking about a right-now Marxist takeover of the White House fueled by mafia-type extortion. It’s not a matter of paying attention to Obama’s Marxism INSTEAD OF the eligibility issue; the eligibility issue IS HIS MARXIST TAKEOVER. It was accomplished by criminal extortion of the conservative media.
The First Amendment enshrines the importance of a free press. Through criminal activity Obama’s Marxist overlords got rid of the free press without ever arguing a legal case about it.
And that criminal endeavor - covered up by media, law enforcement, Congress, the military, and the courts - gave Obama access to deactivate all the protective infrastructure: inspectors general, FBI, CIA, military, courts, media, FCC, FEC, Homeland Security, Department of State, etc ad nauseum. Obama could rot in Hell as a Marxist and none of us would be any the worse off UNLESS he had access to the system, to be the trojan worm that kills all the security protections and takes over with its own agenda.
It would be silly to focus on Outlook Express malfunctioning as if that was the entire problem when the whole computer has been taken over by a worm. The problem is the worm, not Outlook Express. Outlook Express is powerless to do anything except what the worm tells it to do. The worm replaces the normal functions that people assume the computer is doing.
People voted for Obama, quite frankly, because Obama was not in jail for crimes he committed, including the crimes of forgery, perjury, and extortion. The reason he wasn’t in jail was because we had nobody in law enforcement who would even check him out, in spite of probable cause. We don’t have to dig deep into the politics and culture to figure this one out. Blatant corruption was what made the guy even AVAILABLE to be voted for.
The FBI that refused to investigate Obama’s forgeries is the same FBI that hid the Fast & Furious gun that was used to kill a border patrol agent. It’s all cloth from the same bolt. Steyn can draw distinctions between Marxist and Marxist, but it makes no sense to poo-pooh the crimes that gave Obama the power he has and then expect anybody to care about the same kind of crimes he’s done since he got the position of power.
See, Obama is not responsible for where he was born, as you say. But he IS responsible for lying about it, for forging legal documents in order to commit fraud, for stealing a dead little girl’s BC# for heaven’s sake, for signing affidavits saying he is somebody he’s not, for going right along with his owners’ threats to innocent people, for putting an honorable military officer in jail for 6 months and bankrupting his family simply for asking the question of whether Obama is eligible to issue combat orders... I could go on and on and on. He did all those things so that he could get access to do the damage he and his buddies have been planning for a very long time. Crooks will be crooks. The problem isn’t the existence of crooks; that’s a given. The problem is when the people who are supposed to CATCH AND STOP crooks refuse to do so.
I don’t think Obama had much chance of turning out any way besides the way he did. I don’t blame him for what he’s become, nor am I chiefly angry at him for what he’s done to this country. I’m chiefly angry at the people who have taken sacred oaths to recognize and stop people like him from doing the CRIMES he has done - and have pissed on their oaths and spit on those of us who find that appalling.
The judges don’t have the job of ousting Obama. That job belongs to law enforcement, who should have thrown him in jail a long, long time ago, and Congress who is supposed to replace a President who is unable to discharge his duties. But the judges DO have the job of interpreting and applying the law and Constitution. And that is all I and many others want them to do.
I really relate to your story. So familiar. I think a lot of us are dealing with the same history and we deal with it in different ways. That’s natural, and I can respect that. I’ve been taking a break from the eligibility issue for a while because I thought it was futile and we may be able to deal with regaining the rule of law better after somebody else is in the White House and DOJ. I so very, very much want to help turn things around by getting somebody decent in the White House and thus also in the cabinet and regulatory positions. That is so critical. And we can do it, but not if our side plays “chicken” on eligibility.
I have pretty much tuned out all the “conservative” talkers because they have nothing but contempt for me - as if those who hate extortion after the inauguration are too good for those who hate the extortion that led to the inauguration. It’s all the same thing. How can somebody smugly turn their nose at those who hate pre-inauguration extortion, while claiming they are superior because they hate post-inauguration extortion? It’s a false distinction - one these people are too intelligent to make blindly, and it makes me wonder why they do it. But most of all it just makes me want to stay away from them, just like I want to stay away from the crooks who are robbing the country dry in DC.
None of these people have done a thing to earn my trust, and this game of “chicken” gives me the same feeling my daughter got when her “friends” made dead baby jokes after finding out her sister had been stillborn at 42 weeks. Just have to give that knife a twist before pulling it out of a “friend’s” gut...
No thanks. I don’t need friends like that.