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To: bvw
Have you ever faced down a gang? Have you ever been assaulted by a gang?

No, yes.

How do you deal with three plus feral 13/14 year old 90 pounders again? Killing kick to the throat of one? Right?

In the scenario replaying in the malls of today, the victim is the 90 pounder or less going up against multiple, often larger, opponents. They seek out those they deem small and defenseless, easy prey for a quick beating. When surrounded, you will only avoid that beating by an overwhelming show of force -- a gun (not likely for a teen) or a devastating physical attack against one of them.

I’d bet $5 that WT Sherman either ignored or despised Machiavelli’s works.

He certainly carried them out very well. Many don't like that Machiavelli was a hard-core political realist and said things exactly as they were, giving examples of this wisdom used throughout the ages. He didn't work with ideology, fantasy, and pride or couch the reality in more pleasant terms. Regardless, people still use the ideas since they work. And for some reason, only the advice we see as brutal is known popularly. You don't hear anyone condemning Machiavelli in The Prince for advising against having flatterers, sycophants and yes-men around.

117 posted on 07/11/2011 2:40:26 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
You are imagining what is. That is why a walk in the urban sun through some of these neighborhoods will help fix your illusions.

Anyone can be attacked, and the attackers can be quite small in comparison to the victim.

This is utter fantasy:

In the scenario replaying in the malls of today, the victim is the 90 pounder or less going up against multiple, often larger, opponents. They seek out those they deem small and defenseless, easy prey for a quick beating. When surrounded, you will only avoid that beating by an overwhelming show of force -- a gun (not likely for a teen) or a devastating physical attack against one of them.
Reality case #1:
On Sunday night, Allen Haywood found himself confronted and attacked by two kids in the L'Enfant Plaza Metro station in Washington D.C. Transferring to the Yellow line at a little after 7 p.m., Haywood found himself being assailed by a boy of about 11 or 12 years old. Then, a girl began attacking him.

"Stop it! Stop it! Goddamn it! You stop this [expletive] right now! I did nothing to you!" he exclaimed. As the violence continued, no one stepped in to help. Instead, Haywood saw others with cell phones recording the attack.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/06/children-attack-man-in-dc_n_805223.html

Alternate report: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/01/07/dc-transit-police-investigate-random-attack-washington-station/

The 47 year old man was left bloodied and in shock. By pre-teens.

Reality case #2:
Brutal Milwaukee: Man brain dead after being beaten by mob of 20 children
Mon Sep 30 2002 23:09:57 ET

A mob of 20 kids beat a man brain dead with bats, boards, shovels and rocks after he punched one of them in the mouth for throwing an egg at him Sunday night, police in Milwaukee said.

Three suspects, ages 10, 13 and 14, were in custody Monday, Milwaukee police said. The victim, 36-year-old Charlie Young Jr., remained on life support.

The gang chased Young onto the porch of a house on the city's north side and pummeled him, leaving blood splattered from floor to ceiling.

Young managed to briefly escape into the house, but the mob dragged him back outside and beat him.

-- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/760426/posts

Update: http://articles.cnn.com/2002-10-02/us/milwaukee.beating_1_tree-limb-youths-baby-stroller?_s=PM:US

The 36 year old tough handyman later died.


119 posted on 07/11/2011 3:09:01 PM PDT by bvw
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