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To: Tzfat
"Denial of the persecution of Jews in Spain from 1000-1600 CE is on-par with holocaust denial."

And which "Holocaust" would that be? The whole language of holocaust denial is biased. I have had many conversations on this subject both in Israel and outside Israel and there is never an acknowledgment by Jews of any holocaust other than Hitler's atrocities committed against the Jews.

As bad as that was, and there is no argument that it wasn't horrendous, it wasn't an isolated incident nor even the worst example in the 20th century. There is never a mention of an equal number of Catholics, Gypsies, Ukrainians, Poles, Russians, and disabled killed. Stalin killed more that three times as many as perished at Hitler's hand and Mao killed more than six times as many.

So when you say holocaust, which one are you referring to and are you denying all of the others?

115 posted on 07/12/2011 3:03:45 PM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Natural Law
So when you say holocaust, which one are you referring to and are you denying all of the others?

Strawman. Loosing hand.

Roman Cathlolic line on persecution of the Jews: "Everyone has been persecuted."
120 posted on 07/12/2011 4:27:21 PM PDT by Tzfat
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To: Natural Law

Natural,

What is referred to as “The Holocaust”, or HaShoah, the horrific act of genocide with the intention of exterminating the entire population of Jewish people, is but one of many attempts by many, over thousands of years, to wipe the Jewish people off the face of the earth. Yes, no question that massacres and acts of genocide took place against a variety of people. The genocide of the Armenians by the Turks is enough to make anyone sick.

However, there is not one single group, world wide, and in the history of that world, that has been singled out for persecution and extermination, as many times, as the Jewish people. That is a fact. And, in approx. 90 different countries. That too, is a fact.

We find it incredulous, in view of this history, that anyone would even have the nerve to say that we are playing a “victim card”, or that these events “were not that bad”, or that it “never happened” or attempt to revise documented history....And, we do know where such sentiments come from - pure hatred.

When people stop trying to kill us off, convert us to their beliefs, or prevent us from living ours, then, and only then, will we have no need to continually remind the world that they need to change these barbaric, sick minded behaviors, and the hatred that spawn such evil.

Until then, you will not stop hearing it, nor will we stop reminding everyone of it. To deny what happened means that you have not changed, you have not learned, and you are quite capable of doing it again.

So, when we say “The Holocaust”, we are referring to the evil that was, once again, perpetrated against the Jewish people. We will never be intimidated into silence about it either. We have no shame in vocalizing it.

The shame is upon those who perpetrated it, agreed with it, and those who stood by, allowed it, while saying nothing. It is also upon those who try to deny it, revise it and lessen it. It is written that HaShem will curse them, and has a very special place in Hell for such people.

“I will Bless those that Bless You, and I will Curse those who Curse you.”


133 posted on 07/12/2011 9:50:51 PM PDT by Never A Dull Moment
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