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Majorcan Descendants of Spanish Jews Who Converted Are Recognized as Jews
The New York Times ^
| 10 July 2011
| DOREEN CARVAJAL
Posted on 07/10/2011 7:04:06 PM PDT by Palter
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To: vladimir998
You peoples’ protestations are pitiful.
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posted on
07/11/2011 4:07:55 AM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: ChicagoHebrew
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posted on
07/11/2011 4:36:21 AM PDT
by
vladimir998
(Sweden - one of the next Muslim countries)
To: achilles2000
Too many people are invested in being victims.
Surely you are not speaking of the Jewish people? For 2,500 years Jews have been persecuted... severely. Yet, they quietly picked up the pieces and kept on. For a victimized people, they are easily the most remarkable on earth.
Don't ever mention the word "victim" to a Jew. Jews don't want your sympathy - after the holocaust, Jews are simply sick of denial on the part of people like you.
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posted on
07/11/2011 4:37:31 AM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: Olog-hai
You wrote:
“Kamen was an historical revisionist. WADR, I’ll pass.”
Most likely you would pass on all scholarship. The simple fact is that all modern research and scholarship on the inquisition is revisionist. By necessity it has to be because people are actually looking at sources rather than simply making up tales to fit their preconceived ideas. Most likely you’ve never even read a single book on the inquisition. That’s usually how it goes.
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posted on
07/11/2011 4:39:19 AM PDT
by
vladimir998
(Sweden - one of the next Muslim countries)
To: Tzfat
The facts bother you. Too bad. Deny history all you like.
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posted on
07/11/2011 4:41:02 AM PDT
by
vladimir998
(Sweden - one of the next Muslim countries)
To: vladimir998
The facts bother you. Too bad. Deny history all you like.
That is really too funny. You are the denier of history. That's OK, we know your type.
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posted on
07/11/2011 4:50:14 AM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: Tzfat
You wrote:
“That is really too funny. You are the denier of history.”
Nope. I have studied it all my life and have a PhD in history. Have you read even a single reputable book on the inquisition? Even one?
“That’s OK, we know your type.”
My type is apparently far better informed than yours.
Again, have you read even one reputable book on the inquisition?
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posted on
07/11/2011 5:01:32 AM PDT
by
vladimir998
(Sweden - one of the next Muslim countries)
To: vladimir998
I have studied it all my life and have a PhD in history
Funny stuff Vlad. Islam has many "PhDs in history" too. They deny the holocaust occurred; they deny Jews ever lived in the land of Israel. And Catholics explain that "the Inquisition wasn't that bad... we weren't as bad as the Nazis." Yeah, right.
Tell me, Vlad, who will write your "history"?
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posted on
07/11/2011 5:23:57 AM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: vladimir998
Most likely you would pass on all scholarship
No, I'd pass on all fake scholarship.
The simple fact is that all modern research and scholarship on the inquisition is revisionist. By necessity it has to be because people are actually looking at sources rather than simply making up tales to fit their preconceived ideas. Most likely youve never even read a single book on the inquisition. Thats usually how it goes
I think you got lost on the way to another message board?
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posted on
07/11/2011 5:28:12 AM PDT
by
Olog-hai
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If youd like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
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posted on
07/11/2011 5:29:19 AM PDT
by
SJackson
(Normal people don't sit cross-legged on the floor and bang on drums, WI State Sen Glenn Grothman (R))
To: Tzfat
You wrote:
“Funny stuff Vlad. Islam has many “PhDs in history” too. They deny the holocaust occurred; they deny Jews ever lived in the land of Israel. And Catholics explain that “the Inquisition wasn’t that bad... we weren’t as bad as the Nazis.” Yeah, right.”
How many reputable books on the inquisition have you read? Any? Any at all?
“Tell me, Vlad, who will write your “history”?”
What does it matter since I will know the truth of my life no matter what? Again, how many reputable books on the inquisition have you read? Any? Any at all? Can you answer that simple question?
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posted on
07/11/2011 5:39:32 AM PDT
by
vladimir998
(Sweden - one of the next Muslim countries)
To: Olog-hai
You wrote:
“No, I’d pass on all fake scholarship.”
How many reputable books on the inquisition have you EVER read? Any at all?
“I think you got lost on the way to another message board?”
I think you simply got outclassed on information. How many reputable books on the inquisition have you EVER read? Any at all?
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posted on
07/11/2011 5:41:31 AM PDT
by
vladimir998
(Sweden - one of the next Muslim countries)
To: Tzfat
"Funny stuff Vlad. Islam has many "PhDs in history" too. They deny the holocaust occurred; they deny Jews ever lived in the land of Israel. And Catholics explain that "the Inquisition wasn't that bad... we weren't as bad as the Nazis." Yeah, right."
This thread has long lost any semblance to a civic, rational discussion. Instead, what we have is pure culture war, appeals to emotional argument, etc. "My tribe is always right",
on both sides. But paradoxically, it is not necessarily a "bad" thing. Not all history can be "reconciled" from a secular humanist perspective. Nor should it be.
To: vladimir998
How many reputable books on the inquisition have you EVER read?
LOL, are you trying to pass yourself off as some kind of intellectual? Even reading none is still more than having read Kamen the revisionist.
You blew your credibility to smithereens by saying "all modern research and scholarship on the inquisition is revisionist" while taking it to be the most valid at the same time. This isn't the place for your kind of radicalism, with all due respect. It's enough for Constantine to accuse Jesus Himself of committing "pernicious errors", never mind Canon 29 of the Synod of Laodicea calling Jesus "anathema" from Himself. Have a nice day . . .
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posted on
07/11/2011 5:50:38 AM PDT
by
Olog-hai
To: vladimir998
Again, how many reputable books on the inquisition have you read? Any? Any at all? Can you answer that simple question?
That is not a simple question, considering the source. What do you mean by "reputable" - one that agrees with your revisionism?
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posted on
07/11/2011 6:14:17 AM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: vladimir998
It must be nice to have all the answers......
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posted on
07/11/2011 6:39:34 AM PDT
by
ExpatGator
(I hate Illinois Nazis!)
To: JadeEmperor; Tzfat; vladimir998
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posted on
07/11/2011 6:41:37 AM PDT
by
Claud
To: Tzfat
I’m speaking of many types of people and was making a point that appears to have eluded you. Your post is simply an attempted smear.
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posted on
07/11/2011 7:09:18 AM PDT
by
achilles2000
("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
To: Claud
You can't use that! Vlad won't accept a Jewish source. Only sources that speak well of "the church" can be considered "reputable."
Honestly, all those Maranos were Christians, who were lovingly brought to repentance of their heresy. The "holy church" was doing them a favor by chopping of their hands and their heads! Better to lose an eye (or a head) in this world than to suffer eternal damnation by papal decree.
Love, pure love. /sarc
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posted on
07/11/2011 7:10:28 AM PDT
by
Tzfat
To: achilles2000
Your post is simply an attempted smear.
No, yours was. You accused Jews of playing the "victim card."
Im speaking of many types of people and was making a point that appears to have eluded you.
The thread is about Jews. The dispute is whether the Inquisition really persecuted Jews. You weren't speaking of "many types of people" - you were speaking about Jews. Are you (d)eluding yourself?
Just because racism and victimization is a modern non sequitur, does not mean that so-called conservatives can resort to slandering the Jewish boogieman - again. There are quite a few on FreeRepublic that like to give in to their "inner skinhead."
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posted on
07/11/2011 7:23:29 AM PDT
by
Tzfat
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