Risking one's neck for better grog: Mutinies reveal tipping points for collective unrest

University of Washington ^ | May 12, 2011 | Unknown

[decimon]

Flog ‘n grog ping.

[MtnClimber]

Keel haul a democRAT today for the survival of us all.

[ClearCase_guy]

[Nateman]

I was thinking, before the Republicans caved in and threw away the government shutdown chip, that not paying the military after a bill was offered specifically for that purpose, that Obama would have been faced with a coup if the shutdown had lasted long enough.

[hellbender]

When are the taxpayers of the good ship America going to mutiny?

[hellbender]

sailors...being forced to dance

"Dance, you rhythm-challenged cracker lubbers, or no bailout for you!"

[SunkenCiv]

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[tbw2]

Likely factors:
* too hungry to accept another cut in rations or the poor quality made them want to stop work to recover (life or death)
* too dangerous, such as the crew with too few men to survive the journey (life or death)
* too violent, the captain’s excessive punishments at risk of life and limb (life or limb)
* lack of pay (whole reason you signed up, probably threat of life, too, without means to leave a life-threatening job)

[Louis Foxwell]

When are the taxpayers of the good ship America going to mutiny?

When hope becomes fear and change becomes terror.

When the last ship HOPE has sailed.

[Louis Foxwell]

and we are left behind. Then there will be mutiny. When all is lost.

[Hoosier-Daddy]

Interesting timing of this study...

[decimon]

Interesting timing of this study...

These things take time so they've probably been at it for a while.

[blam]

"These things take time so they've probably been at it for a while. "

Regardless, my thought too.

When the Republicans start cutting social programs, at what point will the entitled riot?

[Old Teufel Hunden]

I don’t know anything about the Pogues, but that quote comes from Winston Churchill. He had said don’t talk to me about Naval tradition, it’s nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash. And he was quite right!!

[decimon]

When the Republicans start cutting social programs, at what point will the entitled riot?

Aside from physical excesses involving food and punishment, the main factor seems to be a sense of being treated fairly. The mutineers have not been rioting but Tea Partying.

[colorado tanker]

Actually, some sailors joined the Royal Navy because the food was better on ship than at home. Which tells you a lot about poverty in England before the Industrial Revolution.

[decimon]

Actually, some sailors joined the Royal Navy because the food was better on ship than at home. Which tells you a lot about poverty in England before the Industrial Revolution.

For the average shmo, I think life pretty much sucked pretty much everywhere.

[MeganC]

Churchill had been First Sea Lord so he was quite qualified to make that statement.

Semper Fi

[decimon]

He had said don’t talk to me about Naval tradition, it’s nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash. And he was quite right!!

Or it was, "Rum, sodomy, prayers and the lash." Or he made no such statement: http://www.thisdayinquotes.com/2010/08/rum-sodomy-and-lash-winston-churchills.html

"According to Montague-Browne, Churchill responded: “I never said it. I wish I had.”

Langworth notes that “rum, sodomy and the lash” is similar to “rum, bum and bacca” — a catchphrase from an old saying about the, er, pastimes of British sailors, dating back to the 1800s: “Ashore it’s wine, women and song; aboard it’s rum, bum and concertina.” (Bum = a man’s rear end; bacca = tobacco.)

At any rate, it seems that attributing a quotation about rum, sodomy and the lash to Winston Churchill is nothing but an old British naval tradition."