[mugwump56]

The Rossi Patent is available in English. Just google WO 2009/125444 A1. --- I'm no expert and may not be able to answer your question directly but I know a little bit about how patents work having self-patented a couple of low-tech inventions with the US Patent office. The most legally significant part of the patent are the claims. The claims must describe the 'thing itself', the actual device, not philosophies or outcomes. Yet while describing the actual device the claims should still try to use general terms wherever possible. This broadens the scope of the invention and makes it harder for competitors patent similar devices. --- Rossi's claims clearly describe the device we who follow the story are familiar with. Langauge includes exothermic reactions of hydrogen and nickle powder under pressure. I'm not sure but I think this covers it. It may not be necessary to actually use the term nuclear. Since exothermic means 'heat producing', this would include nuclear reactions assuming these are actually occurring. (An engineer might inform us if chemical-based exothermic reactions of nickle powder and hydrogen are also possible.) --- To receive a patent, an invention must also show utility, that is it must be shown to function as described. My understanding is that this patent was intially denied on grounds there was no theoretical basis for the energy gains claimed. But patent applications often go through several rounds of denial and appeal before a final verdict is rendered. Sometimes an actual demonstration of the device is made before the patent examiners in which case utility would trump lack of theory. In other words, if it works as described and is unique, it deserves a patent. --- Does this mean the Italian Patent Office get their own private eCAT demo and thus found it worthy? If so, what were their standards: exothermic heat explainable by chemical reactions or otherwise inexplicable heat? --- The 'secret sauce' is not included in this patent but apparently is slated for a new one to follow. But Rossi's consulting physicist Focardi tells us the secret catalyst is a common compound that acts to maintain the hydrogen in an atomized state, that is, individual molecules of H as opposed to stuck together H2. Supposedly this this makes it easier for the hydrogen to pass into a nucleus of nickle and if true would be Rossi's key insight. --- The guy doing the 'is it real or fraud' breakdown on all known eCat demos is Allan Fletcher. His work is excellent and incredibly exhaustive. A long list of all possible fakes including chemical, electrical, calibration, water diversion and more are weighed against the data. His conclusion, inclusive of the April Ny Teknik demos: no one demo excludes all possible fakes but all demos taken as a collective do!--- I really hope the eCat is for real. Living to see the fossil fuel industry crumble like Sauron's dark tower would be a joy unhoped for. Cold Fusion could even mean the power to outlive the stars themselves. But I'm still waiting for that truly definitive moment.

[Gondring]

The Rossi Patent is available in English. Just google WO 2009/125444 A1. ---

Thank you!

Is the recent patent available, too? If so, please post its number.

A long list of all possible fakes including chemical, electrical, calibration, water diversion and more are weighed against the data. His conclusion, inclusive of the April Ny Teknik demos: no one demo excludes all possible fakes but all demos taken as a collective do!---

Not at all. Allan Fletcher states, as of 9 May 2011:

Therefore, at present, we cannot conclusively rule out ALL possible fakes, so it is not yet PROVED that the Rossi device is real.

. I really hope the eCat is for real.

Scam artists often play on hopes, and I've read of Andrea Rossi's previous scams (e.g., Petroldragon). So while it would be great, I have little hope of it.