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College Costs & The Student Loan Program
Myself | 04/30/2011 | Captain Peter Blood

Posted on 04/30/2011 7:47:27 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood

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I would like to know what experience some of you have had with kids going to college and any advice you migh have.
1 posted on 04/30/2011 7:47:34 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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1) False premise in the main article. Student loans are NOT the only route

2) The military is still giving ROTC scholarships

3) The military still offers the GI bill

4) Some companies offer tuition assistance

5) Community colleges offer lower costs

6) There is always the work and save program

7) And there are scholarships


2 posted on 04/30/2011 7:52:49 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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College costs have gone up 500% since 1980 precisely because they charge the kids who aren't Eric Holder's kids extra while they are stupid enough to bury themselves in debt, and use the extra charges to give "scholarships" to the kids who are Eric Holder's people.

Student loans are the ONLY debt you cannot escape through personal bankruptcy. Since the loans come from the federal government, people who take out student loans are making themselves indentured slaves to the federal government.

Discourage your niece from taking out ANY loans. Go to community college, take a couple extra years, whatever it takes, but DON'T go into debt.

3 posted on 04/30/2011 7:54:00 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When and why did Steve Dunham change his name to Barack Hussein Obama? When he converted to Islam?)
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A good way to cut costs is to attend community college for the first 2 years. There are agreements with the community colleges with 4 year schools to accept their graduates and their credits.


4 posted on 04/30/2011 7:54:01 PM PDT by Abby4116
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Permanent Debt Bondage from America's Student Loan Racket
5 posted on 04/30/2011 7:55:18 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When and why did Steve Dunham change his name to Barack Hussein Obama? When he converted to Islam?)
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Find a good community college to send your kid to. She will get just as good an education at less than $5,000 a year. At your big name state or private colleges you are paying for professors that don’t teach, a bloated administrative staff, and generally a poor education in a liberal biased setting.


6 posted on 04/30/2011 7:55:35 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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If she doesn’t want to end up with a mountain of student loan debt she might consider joining the military.
7 posted on 04/30/2011 7:57:34 PM PDT by montanajoe
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You make some excellent points and I did mention the National Guard and military but she wasn’t interested.
I am exploring some of the other options you mentioned but looking at the real costs involved for the most part some type of student loan is just about where you are.


8 posted on 04/30/2011 7:58:20 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood (.)
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To: taxcontrol
"1) False premise in the main article. Student loans are NOT the only route

2) The military is still giving ROTC scholarships

3) The military still offers the GI bill

4) Some companies offer tuition assistance

5) Community colleges offer lower costs

6) There is always the work and save program

7) And there are scholarships."

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1) Student loans are, for some people, one of the few options available

2) Not everyone wants to go into the military

3) Not everyone wants to go into the military

4) Most companies don't. Not an easy thing for most people to tap in to

5) Community colleges are an option

6) Potentially an option

7) Scholarships are hard to get these days. Even really good students are struggling to get money. As money gets tighter, colleges are economizing on good students so as to shell out more cash to minorities

Make no mistake, its hard these days. My brother is really struggling to pay for a private college, and he has a $13,000 scholarship.

9 posted on 04/30/2011 8:00:12 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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I would not recommend student loans for undergraduate work especially for someone with an 18 ACT—unless its very minimal ie. would have payments of 100-200 per month. Unfortunately, there’s an oversupply of college graduates and there is no longer an expectation that a degree will parlay into a middle-class lifestyle. I would only suggest loans for law school, med school, a good MBA program or undergrad engineering ect.


10 posted on 04/30/2011 8:01:41 PM PDT by Fast Ed97 (About to jump on the Trump bandwagon)
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I have one in college and one going next year. The first one worked for a scholarship to a trade program at our community college. He saves on room and board by living with us.

The other will be going to a community college mostly paid for by scholarships also. We will have to help a bit with her but neither will have debt when they graduate. Both are also working part-time to help pay their way.


11 posted on 04/30/2011 8:02:38 PM PDT by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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Post # 4 by Abby4116 says it all. We put our child through this way. Never even considered letting the kid take on debt. No debt for any parties involved. Child is now working in field of study. Has the job that was dreamt of.


12 posted on 04/30/2011 8:02:54 PM PDT by Umanbean
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I made those very points to her but at 18 I don't quite think she understands it all.
I look at the whole thing as almost a conspiracy to get these kids to take out loans.
I am trying to counsel her to go to the local college here in Little Rock, maybe take a light load and for her to get a job to see how she fares and if college is the right thing for her.
I really don't want her to saddle herself with these type of loans. Just have to get through to her on some level.
13 posted on 04/30/2011 8:03:16 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood (.)
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I think it would be great if my kids could borrow enough, but the misnomered "financial aid" office sent me a letter saying that I should borrow the money myself because we did not qualify for most of the government programs. Sending my daughter to a private college saddled me with loans well into what I thought would be my retirement years. She is now in medical school with her husband, at least they loan them whatever they need once in med school

My Son is just graduating number 1 out of 500 with a 33 ACT. We are waiting for the financial "package" from Notre Dame where he wants to go and has been accepted. I know it's going to require me to borrow more money. I hate it but can't tell my son who has worked very hard, never less than an A including 2 years of AP credits, lettered in hockey and baseball, worked in the summer, that he cant go to the top college he earned a spot at.

I haven't been much help but I can commiserate with your dilemma.

14 posted on 04/30/2011 8:04:07 PM PDT by Prokopton
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But college isn't about education, unless you are going into law or the sciences. It's about networking; the friendships you make at the expensive schools can keep you set for life.
15 posted on 04/30/2011 8:06:08 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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Don’t go into debt for a college degree.
It’s not worth it now and it definitely won’t be worth it in a few years.

One caveat, Obama/Dems could forgive student loan debt.
But that would crush the banks so I don’t think they’d do that.


16 posted on 04/30/2011 8:06:49 PM PDT by Lorianne (o)
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Banks are out of it. All Student Loans are now handled by the government. I checked the Sallie Mae website and the conduit for the loans, the only bank dealing with them is CitiBank, big surprise.


17 posted on 04/30/2011 8:13:40 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood (.)
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To: RetiredTexasVet
Find a good community college to send your kid to. She will get just as good an education at less than $5,000 a year. At your big name state or private colleges you are paying for professors that don’t teach, a bloated administrative staff, and generally a poor education in a liberal biased setting.

Agreed. Doing that with daughter, now. Son went to a top school in Oklahoma with honors and departmental scholarships. He still came out with around $40K in debt and so did I. At least half the time he couldn't even understand the professors, many of them foreign - quite a few from India, if I recall correctly. At least he got a decent job and is doing well.

18 posted on 04/30/2011 8:13:59 PM PDT by ItsForTheChildren
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My son refused to wait for an opening in a community college, and went to a private school that arranged private financing. He now is in the Army Guard in Afghanistan, trying to pay off $30,000 in student loans. And no, he didn’t get a degree of any kind.

I think the student loan ^#$% is like a legalized loan shark, supported by the government.


19 posted on 04/30/2011 8:14:43 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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Your niece should look into a community college. They are often the choice of students and their families. Costs are considerably lower, they get 2 years under their belts, learn how to handle college vs high school courses, then can transfer to a 4 year school to complete the degree.

I don’t know about AR, but in VA, a student who gets an AA degree from at a community college can transfer to the state university colleges. Those 4 year colleges have varying GPA requirements that have to have been achieved from the community college, with William & Mary and UVA having higher GPA requirements than others, but among the state schools, there are those that will accept GPAs down into the 2’s.

I also am an advocate of the British system of taking a ‘gap year’ to travel or work before entering college. I don’t think much of the pressure put on American kids to go right to college, ready or not. It isn’t for everybody, and a year to have some maturing through real world experiences can’t hurt.


20 posted on 04/30/2011 8:17:35 PM PDT by EDINVA
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