Posted on 04/12/2011 12:15:18 PM PDT by Yaelle
Today Rush ended his show with this:
"It looks like Donald Trump is the true illegal alien around here. [pause] After all, he is doing the work most Americans would not do."
Bada bing!
(Rush also said Trump would be on the show later this week.)
I also don’t really buy that this issue is a winner for Obama either. Low-information, unaffiliated voters that believe Obama’s absurd “scalpel” vs “machete” budget-cutting rhetoric are also probably no more likely to verify rumors surrounding a foreign birth. I also don’t think the idea is that Obama shirked the Constitution just so he could become president is that far-fetched to the average American, at least by comparison to truther conspiratorists.
I don’t think Obama really cared about these rumors out there for a while because it distracted from his destruction of the country and was mostly compartmentalized to some right-wing blogs. But, here we have Trump, a northeast republican at best, making some other people pay attention.
The problem is, everything appears to be legit with his Hawaiian birth, and to the extent there is any more information to be had (maybe something silly on his original BC), it’s almost certainly not anything that would disqualify him. And, his COLB would ultimately be held as sufficient in any Court of Appeals or SCOTUS. Meanwhile, all the time we spent talking about this is time we didn’t spend talking about his destruction of the country.
You’re probably right, but he never would because tomorrow we would be back to talking about his record.
Are you sure his Hawaiian birth is legit? There is nothing but the most likely phony short form that was always a computer printed doc with some very strange things on it. There is no other evidence he was born there. The ads in the newspapers were put in by the health department from their local office that is far from the two hospitals. That particular office is where the native Hawaiians giving birth at home would go to register their babies. It was also near the Dunham residence. Granny could have been trying to legitimize her grandson, no matter where he was born.
Little Barack was seen at 3 weeks old in Seattle, and Stanley Ann did not know how to change his diaper yet. Perhaps in the early 60s she was in an unwed mothers’ home in British Columbia until then. No one saw infant Barack either in Hawaii or anywhere near his father.
The fact that the governor, Abercrombie, never did find any birth certificate in Hawaii, according to his friend who retracted the story he told very believably to two radio programs, makes me think of my own son, who likewise has no BC on file anywhere, because he was given only one, the original, at birth in another country by the USA embassy there. I was old enough to pass on my citizenship to him.
There is really nothing but his word that he was born in Hawaii. Neither hospital has any record of his birth. So we are right to question, and we need him, whether Thr law requires it or not, to prove his eligibility.
Not only for us today, but for Americans in the future, to spare them from one day having to accept an anchor baby as their leader.
What a coward you are.
His legal name is Barry, not Barack.
Maybe he has legally changed it now, unless it would create more red flags.
He used a fake name for years. That makes him ineligible.
His name is BARRY
Just google it. What happened is Trump started talking about Cosby sucking up to him over the years - claiming to be his friend - even suggesting that his tailor make him a suit.
A Hawaiian resident could and still can obtain a BC for a child born “without the state or territory.”
That’s why we need to see what’s on the document — if it exists.
What law? Cite, please.
By his own admission ‘Obama’ has a Long Form Birth Certificate. He wrote about it in Dreams. Why didn’t he release that one when this all started to become an issue? There’s no need to jerk the electorate around. He supposedly works for us. We definitely finance his lavish lifestyle. Why, when we asked to see it, didn’t he post the LF he already has?
Why would you or anyone else let this one president be so oppressively superior to ‘his subjects’—so much so that he never has to give us even the time of day? Why not hold him to the common standards of decency, forthrightness and the famous transparency he promised that the MSM would for certain hold a Republican to?
Ayers wrote Dreams for him, so who knows if he actually had the BC or whether that is something Ayers just made up.
This issue is a loser for us. I’d much rather have his school records - everything I’ve heard is that he was a total dunce. Let them try to claim his academic records don’t exist.
Since the issue first arose, without any help from Trump, it has slowly but surely gained traction and changed people’s minds. Every time the issue is polled, fewer and fewer people are sure he is eligible. Since Trump joined the cause, the numbers of people doubting Obama’s story has only grown. How is that a losing proposition? In fact, the only people who have told me it’s a loser are liberals. I’m not accusing you of being a liberal. I’m saying I’ve heard your arguments before, and they always came from liberals.
If Ayers interjected the BC, it was to try to cover something serious on Obama’s behalf. There is no other reason to include it from an author’s perspective. That makes it all the more critical to push this hard. ‘Obama’, so called, is hiding something devastating. The only people who don’t want it uncovered are the ones who want him to ‘succeed’.
Yes, this is just my personal opinion but I believe that Obama will not be able to get re-elected as dog catcher. By next year the Depression will be even worse, interest rates higher, more inflation, $5 gas and people will be pulling the lever for “anybody else”.
Here’s the thing - after the way the left tore down GWB for 8 years about “lying” about Iraq intel, if Obama is maligned over an accusation that isn’t true, I have zero sympathy for him.
The problem is that the evidence that he was born elsewhere is so weak, I don’t even think it’s an effective rumor with which to smear him. Even if you did think he was born elsewhere, no court will ever force him to show anything more than his COLB, which is based off the record the health dept in Hawaii has on file. The left hates the birther talk because they know firsthand how lies can damage politicians (they wrote the book on this tactic), but I don’t even think this is a plausible enough accusation to be useful to us.
Look, Obama is hemorrhaging supporters right now, his policies have been a disaster, and he is waiting for someone to beat him. If he had a 60% approval rating, I’d say hell, let’s go for broke and pursue it. Yet, we’re talking about an extremely far-fetched long-shot that there’s some Hawaiian cover-up about his real birth place. This issue isn’t going to fix the debt or unemployment problems that we’re trying to argue is really what’s important. I honestly don’t think he’s going to lose voters over rumors about his birthplace, but he will if we can convince those people that we will eventually default on our debt if we keep him employed.
It seems to me that there is a lot of symbolic stuff driving this BC issue. Many see Obama is among us, but not of us (in outlook, temperament, and sympathies). They don't, however, have the nerve to say this outright. They have seized on the BC as a way of expressing thoughts that would otherwise be deemed racist. Obama's reaction to people's doubts seems lordly and aloof. "It's all legal, what's the problem with these idiots? And why is this getting so much traction?" It shows how out of touch he is and reinforces the impression that he's not one of us.
Then there's that idiot Gov Ambercrombie who declares he'll put the whole issue to rest. "I intend to settle this issue once and for all!" he proclaims. After a couple of weeks, he mumbles "Never mind" and slinks off to his office. His perceived failure stokes our worst suspicions.
It makes you think of the Warren Commision. The Commision bungled some of it's investigation, tarnishing it's legitimacy. Their bungling is partly responsible for the never-ending train of conspiracy theories about JFK's assassination. Allegations that have been disproven time and again arise from the ashes as incontestable facts. Then these are added to other so-called facts and presto, it's "proven" that the mafia did it, the Soviets did it, Castro did it, LBJ did it, etc. Any conclusion gains a hearing--as long as it's not the established one.
Now, I am not saying that legitimate concerns over Obama's background and qualifications have the same status as a crackpot assasination theory. I am, however, noticing a similar disregard for facts. On some thread someone will report that he had a colleague who in 1981 traveled to Pakistan on a US visa and passport. Twenty posts later you will read a confident assertion that this was absolutely impossible. Then assertion is linked to assertion, and BINGO! He's illegitimate. Draw up the impeachment papers! Using logic this way is little more than an exercise in "going wrong with confidence," as Fr Stanly Jaki used to say.
Wow—you have your leftist talking points down pat. It’s great that you know for sure where the fraud in the Oval Office was born. Why don’t you take your secure knowledge and spend your time on trying to get his education records unsealed? I really don’t need you to assure me that the COLB is authentic and tells me all I need to know. Every moonbat in the world is already telling me that. Why don’t you tell me the name of the doctor who delivered him, and give me some proof.
On second thought, don’t bother. I’ve heard everything you’re saying from Obama-trolls for as long as I’ve been reading eligibility threads.
Here’s what you can do. Explain why you were a ‘birther’ (your word, not mine) in the first place. I don’t believe you ever were. Convince me, please.
I eagerly await your case.
Hi, Dark. Yesterday I noticed you lamented the absence of high quality ‘troll threads’.
Well, this isn’t a troll thread per se, but it’s interesting. Carter says he was a ‘birther’ until two days ago. Then he found out that HI forbids the release of LF BCs, and bang, it hit him. The COLB is authentic, and ‘birthers’ are only hurting themselves/conservatism.
Mighty fast/strange turnaround, isn’t it???
He’s also, since then, fed me enough lefty talking points to gag a moose.
Fwiw.
Was Trump the “real deal” when he was supporting Hillary? You need to do your homework.
Trump is all about Trump. He only cares about the country so far as it benefits him financially. He’s declared bancruptcy I think 3 times. Do you really want him gambling with our budget?
Was Trump the “real deal” when he was supporting Hillary? You need to do your homework.
Trump is all about Trump. He only cares about the country so far as it benefits him financially. He’s declared bancruptcy I think 3 times. Do you really want him gambling with our budget?
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