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To: rustbucket
As my earlier Buchanan quote showed, Buchanan obviously disagreed with your interpretation of the order he had Floyd send.

If Buchanan's intent was to forbid Anderson to make any move with any of his men, then you'll have to admit that the order of December 22 was very poorly written.

You're a big fan of "Days of Decision," and Klein goes into a great deal of detail about Anderson's rationale for moving his men out to Sumter. To his mind, and in the absence of the clear direction he repeatedly asked for, moving them to a safe place, where he could actually resist for a while, was precisely the correct thing to do, and the thing that most maintained the larger status quo of the United States holding the forts in Charleston Harbor.

This was exactly what Buchanan did not want him to do, and Floyd's order had made clear.

Except Floyd's order doesn't say that. It says that he shouldn't feel obliged to fight to the last man if faced with overwhelming force. Or was all that you say in "the penumbra" of the orders?

If Anderson was afraid of rumors of being attacked by a mob at Moultie before (despite assurances from Charleston leaders that they would disperse such a mob if one were to appear), what did he expect to result from sneaking past the SC picket ship at dusk, overpowering a SC ship's captain, hijacking his boat, and charging workmen at Sumter with fixed bayonets?He expected to be in a more secure place, where a mob couldn't get to him, while a political solution was worked out.

Here’s how South Carolinians reacted to Anderson's move to Sumter...

Like I said before, the hysterical reaction of South Carolinians to just about anything isn't exactly a news flash.

The word "invested" in Floyd's cable means enclosed or surrounded. Sumter quickly became surrounded by a determined, if not outright angry, superior force.

Anderson was no more "invested" in Sumter than he was in Moultrie. In either he was surrounded by a hostile force determined to take possession of the forts which he'd been ordered to hold.

Buchanan did not deny in those cabinet meetings that he had made those promises according to two of his Northern cabinet members.

On the other hand, Buchanan refused to give the South Carolina delegation anything in writing, and they were frustrated by the lack of hard assurances from him.

222 posted on 03/29/2011 9:40:49 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
If Buchanan's intent was to forbid Anderson to make any move with any of his men, then you'll have to admit that the order of December 22 was very poorly written.

The book about Buell that I quoted from above indicated Anderson understood Buchanan's December 22 order as backing away from Anderson having the power to decide what to do. I'll admit though that Buchanan could have made the instructions even clearer.

Except Floyd's order doesn't say that. It says that he shouldn't feel obliged to fight to the last man if faced with overwhelming force.

Floyd's order also says:

It is neither expected nor desired that you should expose your own life or that of your men in a hopeless conflict in defense of these forts.

But that is just what Anderson's move brought about. He did expose his own life and those of his men in an essentially hopeless battle. How many men did Scott calculate would be required to rescue Anderson from Fort Sumter? Was it 20,000 or 25,000?

He expected to be in a more secure place, where a mob couldn't get to him, while a political solution was worked out.

Anderson's officers were reported as saying to the press that Fort Moultrie could now withstand the actions of a mob should one come, but not the actions of an army. As I've posted before, Anderson and Anderson's predecessor had made a lot of improvements to the defensibility of Moultrie.

Moving to Sumter was a fundamental error that hiked tensions, shut down peace negotiations between Buchanan and the South Carolinians, and led to the war. It is a shame that Anderson could not see what his move would do in the larger scope of things.

Anderson was no more "invested" in Sumter than he was in Moultrie. In either he was surrounded by a hostile force determined to take possession of the forts which he'd been ordered to hold.

Charleston leaders had promised to stop mobs from attacking the fort, a fort which Anderson's officers said could withstand mobs. Instead of buying time for a negotiated solution, Anderson's move hardened attitudes on both sides, interrupted peace negotiations, caused a rupture of the cabinet, and made a shooting war inevitable unless Lincoln had been a man of peace. Nice move there, Anderson.

On the other hand, Buchanan refused to give the South Carolina delegation anything in writing, and they were frustrated by the lack of hard assurances from him.

Buchanan recognized his pledge even though it wasn't in writing. As I've posted to you before, here was Stanton's account of a Buchanan cabinet meeting where moving Anderson back to Moultrie was discussed (later confirmed by Holt who was also a participant in the cabinet meetings) [my emphasis below]:

For a considerable period during the pendency of the discussion, which continued several days, Mr. Buchanan manifested a determination to order Major Anderson back, upon the ground that it was essential to the peace of the country, and also that the movement was a violation of some pledge or promise of his, which he was bound to fulfill. Floyd and Thompson both stated repeatedly, in Mr. Buchanan's presence, that such a pledge had been given by him, and during three days debate I did not hear him deny it, although members of the Cabinet asked for a specification of the time and place, and insisted that it was impossible that such a pledge could have been made.

It was indeed "essential to the peace of the country."

225 posted on 03/29/2011 10:39:30 AM PDT by rustbucket
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