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To: Secret Agent Man
Your questions are off the point,

No they are not. Your obfuscation of the issue is. Again you have failed to answer the questions.

You say "A chord is a chord, not a style of music." That is correct as far as you take it. However, you were asked what chord progressions constitute holy stuff. Chord progressions create style and tension and expression (it's known as MUSIC). A chord by itself does nothing. It is when you put a bunch of them together to create music that you have something. WHAT SEQUENCE OF CHORD PROGRESSIONS IS HOLY? (You have not answered this question, just deflected and redirected the sense.)

You say "Metronome settings are not music". That is a true statement. However you have not answered the question. Maybe you would prefer the usage of the word 'tempo' or 'rhythm'? By inference you seem to think that anything that can be danced to is evil. Please reread the psalms. The point that you have refused to respond to is that you are making an arbitrary statement, and I am trying to get you to provide a concrete definition of your belief. You have not supplied that other than in your own circular logic track with which you seem most comfortable.

You say "An instrument is used to make music, the instrument is not the player of the instrument, who determines what type of music is being played." You state correctly. Now, upon the instrument, what sequence of notes or chord patterns being played by the musician would be considered Holy? Major scales, maybe a minor third only rarely? How about a minor-Major seventh? Soft contemplative structures with a largo tempo? How about energetic march tempo stuff?

Would it be the notes and structure of the music that makes it Holy or some other attribute? Ponder the following, which is the logical outcome of your convoluted argument.

How about if someone would take the musical construct that we commonly recognize as the "Lord's Prayer" (the one written by Albert Malotte) and let, say, Sid Viscous write the lyrics for it, thus rendering the words (which you say don't matter) to be something totally other than the Lord's Prayer. Would it still be a Holy song? After all, the music would be the same, and you say that somehow it is the music, not the lyric content that is Holy (yet you cannot or refuse to define what it is that makes the music Holy in terms that a musician can relate to.) By your logic, wrapping a secular message in Holy music would make it a Holy composition. If, as you state, wrapping a Christian message (even Bible verses I would guess) in whatever it is that you "feel" (but cannot or refuse to define) as "secular" music makes is "secular" then following the logical rules of extension, wrapping a piece of "secular" lyric in your definition of Holy music would make it still Holy.

There... thanks for clearing this up for me.

135 posted on 02/24/2011 9:21:56 PM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: NoCmpromiz

My point is, which you don’t seem to grasp, is if you simply add a religious component into something secular, it is still secular. It’s secular with religion mixed into it.

If something is worldly, it’s worldly. Trying to pass it off as holy because there’s some religion in it doesn’t take away the fact it’s still worldly.

Poison mixed with honey is still poison. How much honey would you add to the poison before you’d feel safe eating it?

Per your other example, if you started with a pure jar of honey (something holy), how much poison (something worldly) would you add to it before you wouldn’t eat it?


139 posted on 02/24/2011 9:30:30 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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