Posted on 02/24/2011 11:29:08 AM PST by DJ MacWoW
The Christian rock band, Petra, has come together again with the original members: Bob Hartman, Greg X Volz, John Lawry, Louie Weaver and Mark Kelly. They have a new CD called Back to the Rock. I have it and it IS classic Petra. There are two new songs, Back to the Rock and Too Big to Fail. The others are redone and STILL GREAT.
They will be on tour but unfortunately, so far it's only a few places in the US.
Thursday June 30 Cornerstone, Chicago, Ill
Sunday July 31 Kingdom Bound, Darien Center, New York
Thursday August 4th Soulfest, Billford, New Hampshire
I don’t care if they’re using vintage Stratocasters, it will never be Rock. Never. It’s not the medium, it’s the message.
Personally, I love old-time Gospel, but Christian “rock” is just ridiculous.
He had SO many great songs. I love to crank up "I Blew Up the Clinic Real Good" at full blast rolling down the street.
My favorite album of his was "I Predict 1990", but I pull them all out from time to time.
No one could write lyrics like he could. So many Christian songs today seem to be mindless praise songs, but he could tell a powerful message without even mentioning God. Made him a bit unpopular in some Christian circles.
He had SO many great songs. I love to crank up "I Blew Up the Clinic Real Good" at full blast rolling down the street.
My favorite album of his was "I Predict 1990", but I pull them all out from time to time.
No one could write lyrics like he could. So many Christian songs today seem to be mindless praise songs, but he could tell a powerful message without even mentioning God. Made him a bit unpopular in some Christian circles.
Yes! Irritates me too!
Mylons For My Growing and Crack the Sky are better. Petra used Scripture. Now they simply sing mindless drivel that doesn't encourage anyone to pick up their Bible and see where that lyric came from.
This Means WAR!
And it is war out there! Unfortunately few Christians will fight it. I think that song was Rose Colored Stained Glass Windows.
Hey don’t get me wrong, there is a place for romantic songs. All I am saying is don’t kid yourself about the music you’re listening to. And realize that there’s a place for secular music, just don’t try to claim it’s by any means Christian. Rock music is secular music.
What I find interesting is that you somehow want to make a distinction on the words but not the music. Try some hard core rock and try singing something beautiful to it, it won’t work.
Pop rock is secular music. Hard rock is secular. Top 40 is secular. Techno rock is secular. Punk rock is secular. Thrash is secular. Speed metal rock is secular. You want to somehow claim music isn’t secular just because they change the words but keep the music secular? I don’t buy it.
Further, if you are claiming this is true, that if you change the words but play secular music, and THAT is now spirutual and Christian, then are you also willing to then point to every band that has lines praising the devil and satan and killing off believers and telling people hell’s a great place to be, also as spiritual (un Christian) and in fact, anti-christian? Like Dio’s Holy Diver (where the cover shows a demon drowning a tied up priest), AC-DC’s “Highway to Hell”, Kiss’ “Heaven’s on Fire”, etc, etc etc? Dio by the way claims he is a Christian.
All I an say is my observations from watching people dance to secular music and so-called christian rock songs. I’ve seen the video of crowds at Christian thrash and Christian punk concerts. They are acting no different than their secular counterparts and much of the time you can’t even tell what they’re saying.
You can’t separate the spiritual from the music. It does make a difference.
Put it this way, if you’d put Christian thrash on in your church and think it’s totally wonderful and God-approved, you are the one that has the problem. These are people who are trying to claim they are putting out a spiritual message by wrapping it up in a more palatable, worldly veneer.
They all look like secular rock musicians. Their videos are all shot to look just like any other rock video. You think because some of them have cross tattoos or wear a cross or say “Thank You Jesus!” that sets them apart? Secular folks wear crosses and thank Jesus after the touchdown.
Gee, thanks for allowing me to have my own opinion different than yours. Ain’t America great?
Who said what to Luther? Who’s the “they” that you say said something, and who’s the “they” that were chanting? WHat were they chanting?
Have no idea what you’re talking about.
And therein lies your problem. You cannot see past your own bias. You are probably one of those people who, back in the 16th century, would have been screaming "Bring back the chanting monks." You are probably one of those who would have taken an axe to the organ.
It is OK to have a "like." I actually like gospel as well. One of my radio presets is 90.5, which is a southern gospel station here in Houston (KJIC). I don't listen to a lot of Christian music, at least not music that is current. If I am listening to the radio in the car, I am mostly listening to my podcasts of Ravi Zacharias or J Vernon McGee...or listening to 105.7 KHCB. I listen to a lot of scripture as well.
But...my job in the kingdom is that of helping churches reach their communities...and the number one reason I find that churches fail is their tradition (their bias). They prefer their comfort over their community. They would rather be comfortable on Sunday morning...even if it means people go to hell. THEY come first...not the lost within their community. I see it everywhere. That is not what Jesus intended for His people.
And no...its not about being seeker sensative. The seeker sensative movement is garbage. Its about Form over Function. There are 6 functions a church must perform in order to be a New Testament church. The form can change and God gives us that flexability.
To an outsider to come into a church and here only hymns and other very old fashioned type music, they won't feel comfortable. Music is an important part of us humans. Don't believe me? Read about David and the Psalms again. I can bet they were done in the most modern of musical technology of the time.
My preference is Gospel with a Country or bluegrass twang, but that's just me. Praise God from whom all blessings flow!
I’m sorry, but I just can’t see any confluence between the two messages. It’s newspeak. Hate is not Love.
Use any instrument you like but there well never be a convergence between the two.
Or, as a local music teacher likes to say about Christian “rock”;
Three words.
Three chords.
Three versus.
Yes. And it all flows from Him! :-)
Voltz's voice is too mellow for me. I much prefer the guy from Head East that they had from 1993-2007. Can't remember his name right now.
Music (without words) certainly communicates. But when words are added, the communication becomes less susceptible to translation errors. I never have had the argument with myself whether this song I am listening to is secular or “spiritual”. I do not even know what that means..
Computer programming is secular, as is flipping burgers, making cars, painting, etc.. So what if music is secular?
Dio will have to answer for his testimony.
Personally, I do not think ALL music is appropriate for all times, some music is inappropriate at ALL times. One has to practice discretion in all things. I prefer traditional hymns in worship, it helps me get in the frame of mind to worship God. But see, that is my preference..
It looks to me like you are hung up on secular things being evil. I hope you get over that.. Don’t confuse my statement as an approval of every rock musicians antics.. Personal responsibility..
Thanks for posting this thread, from a fellow longtime Petra fan.
You’re very welcome.
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