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Was Medieval England more Merrie than thought?
Reuters ^ | December 6, 2010 | Reporting by Stephen Addison; Editing by Michael Holden

Posted on 12/06/2010 1:36:58 PM PST by decimon

LONDON (Reuters) – Maybe being a serf or a villein in the Middle Ages was not such a grim existence as it seems.

Medieval England was not only far more prosperous than previously believed, it also actually boasted an average income that would be more than double the average per capita income of the world's poorest nations today, according to new research.

Living standards in medieval England were far above the "bare bones subsistence" experience of people in many of today's poor countries, a study says.

"The majority of the British population in medieval times could afford to consume what we call a 'respectability basket' of consumer goods that allowed for occasional luxuries," said University of Warwick economist Professor Stephen Broadberry, who led the research.

"By the late Middle Ages, the English people were in a position to afford a varied diet including meat, dairy produce and ale, as well as the less highly processed grain products that comprised the bulk of the bare bones subsistence diet," he added.

He said a figure of $400 annually (as expressed in 1990 international dollars) is commonly is used as a measure of bare bones subsistence and was previously believed to be the average income in England in the Middle Ages.

But the researchers found that English per capita incomes in the late Middle Ages were actually of the order of $1,000.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: england; godsgravesglyphs; unitedkingdom
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To: decimon

People now are very arrogant - we believe that we live at the peak of society and civilization. In many ways, especially material goods it is true — but it is also possible that people of 1000 years ago could have many positive traits that we longer posess.


21 posted on 12/06/2010 2:07:04 PM PST by PGR88
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To: decimon

Rapid Refund with a sword or a bow & arrow.


22 posted on 12/06/2010 2:09:43 PM PST by GeronL
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To: decimon

Apparently even early western culture produced results superior to those of many ‘modern’ cultures today...from the perspective of this bigoted ethnocentricist anyway (is it a hate crime to say this...better call the Southern Poverty Law Center and ask.)


23 posted on 12/06/2010 2:10:46 PM PST by dogcaller
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To: decimon

Medieval people in England didn’t have the exploitation and parasitism we have to deal with and they had their own money system, mainly tally sticks, which represented pure bargain and did not involve fractional reserve banking, any sort of impossible bargain paradigm, or our present system of lending money into existence. Ellen Brown’s excellent “Web of Debt” goes into this and it wasn’t just England, much of the rest of Europe was much more prosperous than we’d imagine.


24 posted on 12/06/2010 2:14:04 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Which was eminently sensible compared to the gentry who peed in the stairwells of the palaces.


25 posted on 12/06/2010 2:15:39 PM PST by DManA
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To: decimon
Like H & R Block.

Only in reverse.

26 posted on 12/06/2010 2:19:33 PM PST by houeto ("You know, I actually believe my own bullsh_t," --- BHO)
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To: DManA

Peasant #1: “Who’s he?”
Peasant #2: “He must be a king.”
Peasant #1: “How do you know that?”
Peasant #2: “Well he hasn’t got shit all over him, has he.”


27 posted on 12/06/2010 2:21:23 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: decimon
It was certainly uncontaminated by cheese.


28 posted on 12/06/2010 2:22:44 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: KarlInOhio
Robin Hood robbed from the government and gave it back to the middle class who had been impoverished by the government.
29 posted on 12/06/2010 2:27:29 PM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: Tzimisce
This really depends on how you define Medieval England. The main source for the article covers a 600 year period from 1270-1870, some periods of which were as different as day and night.

I'm more inclined to accept the traditional definition as beginning with the signing of the Magna Carta in 1215 and ending with the death of Elizabeth I, the last Tudor monarch, in 1603.

During this 388 year period, there were a total of three monarchs who could be considered reasonable competent: Edward III (1327-77), Henry IV (1399-1413) and Elizabeth I (1558-1603). That's 109 years or 28% of the total. Edward III was, at best, mediocre and is makes the list of comparatively competent monarchs only because others in the same era (particularly his predecessor) were so bad. Take out his 50 year reign and you are left with only 15% or so of that era which has good leadership and even less considering a substantial part of their early reign was spent just cleaning up the messes left by their predecessors.

Many of the gains made by the average Englishman during the reign of Edward III were due to an abrupt rise in wages following the 1348-49 black plague which reduced the labor force by more than 30%. Supply and demand tends to do that!

Like modern Libtards, many historians defend the reigns of monarchs like Edward I and Henry VII and VIII because they maintained firm control on the country.

But said control was achieved at an extraordinarily high cost. Henry VIII, for instance, ruled a country of 2.5 million and sent 70,000 or so of them to the gallows or chopping block as a price of maintaining control. That's an execution rate of 2.8%! The United States would have to execute nine million Americans over 38 years to achieve a comparable scale of brutality!

In terms of international importance, from the death of Henry IV in 1413 until the Coronation of Elizabeth I in 1558, England went from a country having substantial holdings in modern-day France (Normandy, Burgundy, Picardy, Calais) to being a country flirting with extinction whom some saw the possibilities of survival dependent only by merging with France, Spain or some greater power.

30 posted on 12/06/2010 2:28:14 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: decimon

bump


31 posted on 12/06/2010 2:44:01 PM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: GeronL

I read somewhere that when knitting was first invented, during the Middle Ages, it was illegal, because peasants could make their own clothes instead of using the loom owned by the local lord.


32 posted on 12/06/2010 2:48:41 PM PST by Michael Zak (is fighting the good fight.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Thanks for the history lesson.


33 posted on 12/06/2010 2:50:42 PM PST by calex59
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To: GeronL

“You will be bound to the land of the local Lord.”

Great deal. If you’re a Lord.


34 posted on 12/06/2010 2:55:47 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Michael Zak

wow

Then later on there were Guilds that were like unions but even stronger. They set the prices and decided who could work. The Guilds in London elected the mayor.


35 posted on 12/06/2010 3:01:33 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Vigilanteman

Fascinating period in history


36 posted on 12/06/2010 3:06:02 PM PST by mel (since progressive is code word for anti- i am a progressive progressive)
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To: RegulatorCountry

If you believe that some humans are more evolved than others then Feudalism actually makes a lot of sense.


37 posted on 12/06/2010 3:18:09 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: DakotaGator
Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
Riding through the land
Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
Without a merry band
He steals from the poor and gives to the rich
Stupid bitch.


Moore What did you sing?
Singers (speaking) We sang... he steals from the poor and gives to the rich.
Moore Wait a tic ... blimey, this redistribution of wealth is trickier than I thought.


38 posted on 12/06/2010 3:24:06 PM PST by dfwgator (Congratulations to Josh Hamilton - AL MVP)
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To: Michael Zak

Yes, and firearms were outlawed from war because a common soldier was able to kill a knight with one. That wasn’t fair, knights were supposed to be immune to any weapons but those of other knights. Outlawing them didn’t work, however, as history well shows.


39 posted on 12/06/2010 3:57:43 PM PST by calex59
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To: Larry Lucido; decimon; SunkenCiv

“It was certainly uncontaminated by cheese”.

Blessed are the cheesemakers.


40 posted on 12/06/2010 4:48:08 PM PST by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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