Posted on 12/01/2010 6:06:28 AM PST by decimon
The secret service agent who threw himself into President Kennedy's car at the moment of his assassination, Clint Hill, has published a book about the events.
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Oswald's scorebook shows this tendency in places.
LOL! Yeah career FBI agents along with many other credible people. They ALL made it up for entertainment purposes. If you want to believe politicians then you go right ahead.
BTW, you obviously do not know much about the Marines if you believe the only time we shoot or only weapon we use is an M16. Furthermore, I can promise you (with the M16)we had three different sites to adjust when you are getting dope on the rifle. You have the front site post. Then you also have your elevation and windage knob okay? To suggest that by using a M16 (by the way all other marines fire many other weapons for instance M249, M240, M60, 30 Cal, 50 Cal, Mk 19, AT4, etc.....) trajectory of a round does not apply tells me you don’t know what you are talking about.
You are right about one thing. We will not agree. See I have a problem with politicians. I notice they have a bad habit of not telling the truth. I have more trust for my fellow citizens that served in the armed forces, FBI, CIA, local Police any day over a politician. Just my 2 cents about it.
If you read through my threads then surly you saw the demo video with the same rifle and scope? See post 93 and watch. That video just aired 2 weeks ago.
On one hand you tell us not to believe the apparatus that produced the evidence, and on the other you tell us to believe the instruments of that very same apparatus.
Which is it?
You dismiss anyone who has independently looked at ALL facets of the assassination and drawn their own conclusions based on the facts, but incredibly cannot come up with any of your own postulations other than the 'word' of the very same apparatus that you tell us we shouldn't believe.
One thing for sure, your limited experience with ballistics depicts an extremely limited knowledge of various weaponry and weapons, the ammunition that goes in them and the reactions of targets to various compositions of metals and alloys.
When you can come up with something, ANYTHING, close to a debatable point, let me know.
I came to the conclusion many posts of yours back, that a) you were never a Marine or were a Baby Blue, b) your fundamental knowledge of any sciences involved is poor, and c) your inability to look objectively at any additional information is retarding your thinking process.
It also seems on this thread the discussion centers around whether or not ozzie would have been able to make the required shots from the "sniper's nest".
The real issue is not whether ozzie could perform the task, but whether ozzie was in that "sniper's nest" at all.
IMHO...I don't think he was.
I've seen ranges of 44 and 80 yards for the shots from that window. Well, from the fence, the range was short of 20 yards. Certainly within pistol shot range of a decent marksman.
IMHO, this guy’s a total fraud:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Files#Critical_views
Police on the scene ran right up the grassy knoll and looked over the fence. Bupkis. No one there, no one crouched, no smell of firearm discharge, no one running away, no evidence anyone was ever even back there.
In the book “Appointment in Dallas”, the purported actual assassin fired from the second floor (I think it was) of the County Records bldg, shown here as #3.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a3/Dealey_Plaza.jpg
Collage of the assassin (at least one of these frames appeared in the movie “JFK”, which is ironic, considering what a POS that thing was):
http://i37.tinypic.com/14j5mb6.jpg
bttt
That grassy knoll is small and there were people right there. If I'd been there then I'm pretty sure I would have known if someone had fired a gun from behind the fence.
/bingo
LOL! You need to get a life Pal. I’m sorry I got your panties in a Wad. Your response is an instant classic. Your hypocrisy is so thick you could cut it with a knife.
One last thing! I will be more than happy to send you what ever info you want regarding my background. I can tell you I graduated 3/27/1992. I was in Third Battalion, Lima Company, Lead Series, Platoon 3025. Given the fact that you do not know or understand that the Elevation knob on a M16 is for trajectory tells me everything that I wrote above went over your head. So there is no point in going on...
Thanks for the reply. Yeah I guess we are both in agreement that we are not buying what we have been told by the Warren Commission. After all our politicians are notorious for not telling the truth.
There was probably just enough "truth" in the WC report to have made it plausible....but not much more.
As to trusting anything that a federal politician - or for that matter a state politician - says or writes....I'm in agreement with you. Nope, I don't.
If you've not yet been down to Dealy Plaza, see if you can make the trip....it is well worth the time...and there are some really great BBQ restaurants nearby.
Would love hear your "first impressions" on seeing the place.
Never did it, but I would like to do that some time. Plus I always like good BBQ joint.
One last thing. Watch this video that was just aired on TV 2 weeks ago.
http://www.trutv.com/video/conspiracy-theory/recreating-oswald.html
Hey BTW, just watch this. It was aired two weeks ago.
http://www.trutv.com/video/conspiracy-theory/recreating-oswald.html
I also wonder why...making the huge and unsupportable leap of faith that Ozzie was the “lone gunman”...the “lone gunman - as the alleged assassin - didn’t take the fatal shot at the president when the motorcade was coming directly toward him and his window or turned immediately below him. Why did he wait until his target was receding away from him? Just a dumb assassin?? Not a pro??? Or not the assassin at all?
Just as a matter of record...the assassin (professional) behind the fence took the shot when the target was heading right for him/her.
There was also the matter of the tree that was there on Nov. 22 1963 that may not be there anymore that did complicate the line of site from Oswald to Kennedy when the car was heading downhill.
And then there was the Umbrella man who raised his umbrella on a clear November day and then lowered it and walked away. Almost as if to provide a visual for someone who could not otherwise have a visual. Which Oswald clearly did have.
Yes and yes!
There also seems to be a great deal of concentration on whether or not ozzie could have fired the shots in the time allotted. Much "proof" has gone into this, and it's been fairly well proven that three shots could indeed be fired by a weapon of that type in the time allotted by a competent shooter.
With that I have no proble...what I DO have a problem with is the Secret Service agent testimony regarding the spacing of the shots he heard. First a "bang"...then a pause (3 or 4 seconds) then two more shots...closely spaced with hardly any delay between them...a "bang...bang".
Now....as good as the alleged assassin ozzie might have been, it's hardly likely that he would have been able to fire two shots from a bolt action anything in less than 2 seconds.
Ah well...I can't really prove anything. Except to say that ozzie did not kill JFK. I don't know who did, but ozzie didn't.
All I can say when I went to the SBD was that my impressions were exactly the same as yours.
1. Why not shoot as the motorcade is approaching, instead of waiting for it to turn the corner (and go under the tree).
2. If the umbrella man was signalling something, then he wasn’t signalling to someone in the SBD who would have seen the motorcade, if anything, before the umbrella man would have.
I’ll add one more nugget for thought. If you read the JFK assassination tapes - which is a book of white house tapes - concentrating on LBJ pulling together his “blue ribbon” commission that became the “Warren Commission” - you can see from the very outset that LBJ wanted to wrap the so-called “investigation” into a nice little package with a nice little bow on the top. The whole thing was very much an exercise in spin-doctoring - no question about that.
I could go on but I’ll stop there.
In the nicest way possible, I'll tell you that you're "preaching to the choir".
JFK was murdered by person or persons unknown. JFK was not assassinated by ozzie.
Those are the only two facts I know....or at least am willing to go to my grave believing.
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