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To: mrmeyer
...and twist rate 1:7 or 1:9 will be best for the bullet weight (55,62,69,77 etc)

I see a lot about the twist rate in terms of accuracy....sure, a stable bullet will squeeze out the most a system is capable of, accuracy-wise, but when you're talking about a 16 in. barrel, would not there be some advantage in having a round that is just waiting for an excuse to tumble like crazy? Never heard of any ballistic gelatin tests to confirm, but it seems the terminal ballistics of, say a 1:9 twist rate and a 62 gr. or heavier bullet would be pretty ferocious.

74 posted on 10/21/2010 11:19:59 AM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: gundog
I agree that the round would tumble like crazy at close distances inflicting significant trauma.

I would like to see the military adopt the 6.8 round in the AR platform. More energy with great bullet mass would be an improvement over the 5.56x45mm. Bigger rounds = bigger holes = more trauma.
Here are some links to some ballistics tests. If you search youtube, you can find video of different AR platforms and how the various 5.56 loads stand up to ballistics gel.

M855 steel core 62 gr out of a 14.5” with 1:9 @10ft
16 inch 1:7 w/75 & 77gr @15ft
20” Colt A1 Govt Profile 1:7 w/100 gr @15ft
Criticial Review of 5.56mm effectiveness
76 posted on 10/21/2010 12:29:12 PM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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To: gundog
...and twist rate 1:7 or 1:9 will be best for the bullet weight (55,62,69,77 etc)

I see a lot about the twist rate in terms of accuracy....sure, a stable bullet will squeeze out the most a system is capable of, accuracy-wise, but when you're talking about a 16 in. barrel, would not there be some advantage in having a round that is just waiting for an excuse to tumble like crazy? Never heard of any ballistic gelatin tests to confirm, but it seems the terminal ballistics of, say a 1:9 twist rate and a 62 gr. or heavier bullet would be pretty ferocious.

You're quite correct. And the older M16A1 1:12 twist barrels are not only also better at stabilizing the 55-grain bullets of the older military M193 ball load, but also work MUCH better with the various .22 conversion kits if lead-bullet .22 long rifle ammo is used.

To summarize: get a 1:7 [or 1:8 match grade, if not using tracers] twist barrel if you plan on using the military M855 ammo [or Euro SS109] with a 62-grain or heavier bullet. Get a 1:12 M16A1 barrel for M193/ 55-grain or import equivalent, or for use with a .22 conversion. If you have a 1:9 *compromise* barrel and are having good luch with the ammo you're running through it, stick with that load.

And, in general, you want the longest barrel possible, at LEAST a 16 incher, preferably a 20-inch military-length rifle barrel- if you plan on getting both accuracy and bullet expansion on your intended targets.

And, read the last post here.

89 posted on 10/25/2010 12:47:42 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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