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To: ClearCase_guy
Postulation of unseen forces and particles to explain physical phenomena allows for testing and measurement and prediction to see if the model is useful or not.

Postulation of God as the explanation for physical phenomena is an untestable postulate that allows for no measurement or prediction, and as such is not a useful model in science.

The Bohr model of the atom may be real and it may not be. But it IS useful and predictive and allows for testing and measurement.

Most scientists in the USA are people of faith in God.

11 posted on 09/11/2010 5:58:15 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: allmendream
My basic problem is that Science has been defined in a self-serving way. Science is the stuff of the physical world. Therefore, it is not God. There is no supernatural component that can be discussed as "real".

Scientists have many areas which really cross the boundaries that they have set up for themselves:

What came before the Big Bang?
As some folks say: In the beginning, there was nothing -- and then it exploded.
Time and Space are the same thing, and if temperatures get too hot, then Time does not exist. Well, what is outside of Time and outside of Space?
Where did Life come from? Some scientists say it came from some other planet. (IOW: "It's turtles all the way down.")
String Theory, Quantum Mechanics, Q-Balls, these are areas where there seem to be no rules or defined expectations. I don't know how you test or prove something like Schroedinger's Cat. It seems like you just can't.

And I say that's fine. In the deep areas of Science, we may need to go outside time and space, and impossible things may be possible. I'm OK saying that this is Science. But that brings us back to the old-fashioned notion that we study the World so that we can see how God works.

But many scientists start gagging at that notion. I believe that the dominant Philosophy of Science in the current age is fundamentally aimed at denying God. In which case it becomes as much a dogmatic atheistic ideology as a field of exploration.

I see the shenanigans they pulled with Global Warming. I see the ridiculous leaps of faith they make in the field of Evolution. I think Science today is in bad shape. They have learned a lot, but they are blind in many ways -- they see only what they want to see.

15 posted on 09/11/2010 7:19:30 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Things will change after the revolution, but not before.)
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