Posted on 08/30/2010 4:36:54 PM PDT by DariusBane
“Should be restricted”
That’s great, but once you give the State the power to restrict something that makes since, then you have given the State to restrict something that doesn’t make since as well. Is that worth it?
Perhaps the intersections could be re-shaped instead of “restrictions”.
I wouldn't, but I agree with you about overzealous right turners. I have talked with several people recently that didn't even realize that they HAD to come to a complete stop before going right on red.
Oh crap, what a noob Darius...
Since+sense... Sheesh!
So does that mean that you want to unleash the full cohersive power of the state on these mindless simpletons? Guns, courts, tasers, boots, handcuffs? Wouldn’t be simpler to keep your eyes open and avoid them?
Yes. If I am approaching a green light, I don't think I should have to worry about some schmuck who thinks his time is more important than mine.
(It's not like I didn't initially thing RTOR was a good idea. I just have seen that it doesn't work well. I certainly agree that the sorts of things that people mostly get tickets for are dumb, but that's mostly because it's easy for lazy police to give out speeding ticket on the Throggs Neck Bridge. I'd like to see them go after the guys whose wheels cross double yellow lines without yielding to on-coming traffic, but that's just me.)
ML/NJ
And it has been for at least the three decades...
I would rather you leave the State out of the problem. Why tolerate expensive foolishness of the streets crawling with useless cops for just a little bit of warm fuzzy feeling?
How is your attitude compatible with small government theory?
Everybody wants to pick apart the minutia of the laws without addressing the fundamental question of freedom and small government.
In Fl it is permissable to make a right on red after a complete stop and if there is no “right on red sign”. Sometimes those are in place due to low visibility or hills. I don’t like the folks who skip the right turn lane and bust through the corner gas station to avoid the light altogether.
That said, what pisses me off the most is sitting at a red light with no traffic for 5 minutes when there is no car in sight. With technology the way it is, these should be blinking intercections after midnight.
Red light cameras suck also. Bunch of nazis if you ask me.
We had this discussion in College - 1968 (CSU) “In class”
Do you stop for a 4 way stop when you can clearly see in ALL directions? Only two in a class of 60 - 80 students said that judgment was prudent and that stopping just because it was the law was not ALWAYS necessary.
The rest justified their reaction by one of the following (lame) reasons.
1. It was the law. Nothing further needed be said.
2. You might not see someone. We already said you could see in ALL directions clearly but their logic was that you might not have seen something that would be corrected by coming to a full stop.
3. There might be a cop parked nearby and you would get a ticket.
The thing is that the majority were sheep and felt that nobody should use logic and good judgment and should always follow the dictates of the law by the LETTER OF THE LAW.
Typical College Students? Yes. But unfortunately the general public is just as stupid and just little robotron students.
The love of money (power) is the root of all evil. Some men strive for good.
I inched my car forward, he did not make the move up, I inched up some more, still he did not move.
My light turned green, I moved on, got stopped by Police. He asked me is I knew what I did? NO, I really didn't.
He then told me my truck was nearly out in the oncoming traffic, (I knew it was out, but I also knew I would not be hit).
I told him the reason, I wanted to give them man behind me room to turn right. Officer said he appreciated my thoughtfulness, but I was not being careful of myself.
I did not get a ticket. ALSO
I WAS NOT WEARING A SEAT BELT. lol. No ticket on that either, and he had to have seen it was not hooked up. It was a good day.
: )
Yes people are pretty damn stupid.
They have two speeds, grazing and stampede.
Traffic control is a legitimate roll of government. All companies would need to find a way to make a profit. Cities can be stopped from using traffic laws for profit.
A city here in the LA area lost a class action law suit because of Under-posted Speed Limits. Yes in California.
Right turn on red is legal everywhere but NYC except where posted. All the places I have seen posted as no right turn have been on blind intersection where a drive can’t see the needed distance.
It is not.
'nuff said?
You were so eager to spout that, you didn't even read what I wrote.
“The love of money (power) is the root of all evil. Some men strive for good.”
Unfortunately these “good men” build infrastructures of power to do good. These men are not immortal and, they eventually die. The power structure they build is used by others for foolishness, or good, or evil, or even GREAT EVIL.
That’s the root theory of small government theory. That my friend is why you don’t build a government that has the power to right all wrongs.
“Traffic control is a legitimate roll of government.”
Maybe. I am sure you intend to empower your government to do good. Who knows in a hundred years how that power and infrastructure will be used.
Caution is advised.
I saw the “I wouldn’t” You do realize how many people disagree with you right?
I've been nailed by that one before.
LOL...I am not sure how to respond!
If you are referring to my griping about how they want to run their town (I would be the freedom loving conservative in this context) I have to pay taxes to fix and maintain their roads the way the funds are divided up, so it irritates me that they use my money but deny me the right to reasonable use of the road. No other town in the state has traffic speeds like that on similar roadways, with a police force that enforces them so punitively. But I stop at doing more than griping about it, because I am not a resident of the town. If it was that much of a deal, I would buy property there and change it from within.
So, in case that was the context, no...I am not interested in harnessing the full power of the state so I can drive at 35 mph instead of 20-25 mph for a distance of three or four miles.
As for my neighbors wanting to coerce me, well, it is within their right as a town to set their speed limit at 5 mph and ticket me for doing 6 mph. I can always choose to drive elsewhere.
But the analogy to the concerns our founding fathers and the states had with the colonies disintegrating under the insufficient Articles of Confederation into a bunch of factions that were warring with each other over tariffs, borders, resources and such, I feel the same way about things like this. If every community set up speed traps and abnormal speed limits, my 16 mile commute that already takes me an hour every day could well turn into two hours...a loss of freedom!
Some might not think 25 mph is abnormal on straight, level, wide and well maintained roadway through a sparsely populated town, I can only suggest they try it sometime...it IS maddening. It is almost impossible to go that slow...:)
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