No birth certificate among passport documents

WND ^ | August 06, 2010 | Jerome R. Corsi

[TigersEye]

Oh, good, a secondhand confirmation of an unquoted statement.

[TigersEye]

Oh, good, now we are supposed to take advice from Karl Rove. ROTFLOL

[jamese777]

Oh, good, a secondhand confirmation of an unquoted statement.

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I’m going to type this very slowly in hopes that someone of even your limited intelligence will be able to understand it. A COLB comes directly from the data on the original, long form, vault copy birth certificate.

For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Senator Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”

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“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”—July 27, 2009

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“It’s been established. He was born here.”—Governor of Hawaii Linda Lingle (R)

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“If Tea Party groups are to maximize their influence on policy, they must now begin the difficult task of disassociating themselves from cranks and conspiracy nuts. This includes 9/11 deniers, ‘birthers’ who insist Barack Obama was not born in the U.S., and militia supporters espousing something vaguely close to armed rebellion.” Karl Rove, February 17, 2010, The Wall Street Journal Editorial Page

[TigersEye]

If they pay you to look like a fool you deserve a raise.

[TigersEye]

Not one statement there saying that the Hawaii DoH has ever issued a COLB.

[muawiyah]

Several others have posted references to authoritative sources that say "infant" is used in the sense I used it.

I really do believe you need to take some time and read the entire thread.

[Political Junkie Too]

We recently learned with the SCHIP program and the story of little Graeme Frost, that it covers "children" up to the age of 29.

-PJ

[Zack Attack]

lol...teleprompter is exactly what I was thinking.

[jamese777]

Not one statement there saying that the Hawaii DoH has ever issued a COLB.

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You’re picking at nits. If the state of Hawaii confirms the ORIGINAL birth certificate is there and if the state also confirms Obama’s birth in the state of Hawaii, the COLB becomes irrelevant.

Furthermore officials of the state of Hawaii are very capable of holding press conferences and answering reporters’ questions as to whether the copy of the COLB that first appeared on the “Fight the Smears” website was originally issued by them. No one has bothered to ask.
So while you stress no confirmation, there has also been no denial.

Doesn’t it make just a little bit of sense that officials of a Republican administration of a Governor who endorsed John McCain and delivered one of Sarah Palin’s nominating speeches would take full advantage of a forged, fraudulent or altered Obama COLB if one existed?

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“If Tea Party groups are to maximize their influence on policy, they must now begin the difficult task of disassociating themselves from cranks and conspiracy nuts. This includes 9/11 deniers, ‘birthers’ who insist Barack Obama was not born in the U.S., and militia supporters espousing something vaguely close to armed rebellion.” Karl Rove, February 17, 2010, The Wall Street Journal Editorial Page

[ROCKLOBSTER]

..some billionaires who pull the repubs strings decided to let this guy win and the damage he will cause will destroy the Dems/hippies/liberals/Clintons once and for all?

Are you saying John McCain might be, (gasp) a hero?

[jamese777]

If they pay you to look like a fool you deserve a raise.

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If there was a raise involved in looking like a fool, I’d pretend to be a birther.

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“If Tea Party groups are to maximize their influence on policy, they must now begin the difficult task of disassociating themselves from cranks and conspiracy nuts. This includes 9/11 deniers, ‘birthers’ who insist Barack Obama was not born in the U.S., and militia supporters espousing something vaguely close to armed rebellion.” Karl Rove, February 17, 2010, The Wall Street Journal Editorial Page

[Red Steel]

Yawn troll. The Chicago Tribune puts this on their Swamp blog in 2008.

The Swamp Blog:

Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?

"Yes," said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. "That's what Dr. Fukino is saying."

"Yes" to what? The way the Chicago Swampy blog wrote this up at the time, Okubo could have been saying "Yes" to anything. No one quotes this BS blog but trolls.

It should have been written as so.

Janega's question: Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?

Janice Okubo: Yes

It was deception by The Chicago Swamp blog in 2008 and it is still deception 2010, and as we see more deception pointed out below:

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To: RummyChick

This is my email to Janega today - he has not replied yet..

You claim that Janice Okubo claimed that Dr Fukino was confirming that 0bama was born in Hawaii.

Okubo has previously made inappropriate and risible statements about the “authenticity” of the scanned image of 0bama’s COLB placed on Fightthesmears.com so when she puts words in Dr Fukino’s mouth that could put the Dr in legal jeopardy are you not just a little bit skeptical?

Perhaps you would comment on this exchange I had with the Dept of Health in Hawaii about your claims..

-—— Original Message -——
From: Redacted
To: vr-info@doh.hawaii.gov
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 8:45 PM
Subject: Alleged statement by Janice Okubo

The Chicago tribune published the following on Nov 3rd:

“Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?

“Yes,” said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. “That’s what Dr. Fukino is saying.”

Can you please confirm the accuracy of this statement?

Is Dr Fukino categorically stating that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii?

-——Original Message-——
From: vr-info [mailto:vr-info@doh.hawaii.gov]
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:21 PM
To: Redacted
Subject: Re: Alleged statement by Janice Okubo

Thank you for your inquiry. Hawaii State law protects the birth records of all individuals born in our state under all circumstances. State law prohibits the Department of Health from disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest in the record. This includes verification of vital records and all the information contained in a record. Direct and tangible interest is determined by HRS-338-18(b)

Aloha,

vr-info

Department of Health
State of Hawaii
Honolulu, Hawaii

100 posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 7:29:08 AM by Wil H (No Accomplishments, No Experience, No Resume No Records, No References, Nobama..)

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I doubt if James Janega ever responded to Wil H.

We now know that Ms Fukino and Okubo who represent the Hawaiian DoH are a deceptive lot.

Youtube vid: Hawaii Officials Lie For Obama

From the Swamp blog - "In the Tribune's political blog "The Swamp" last month, reporter Mark Silva produced a copy of Obama's birth certificate and addressed the birthplaces of both presidential candidates."

So Mark Silva produced Obama's Birth Certificate? He did did he? Hahaaa.... No one else has - not even the Hawaiian DoH or Barack Obama has "produced a copy of" a genuine Hawaiian Obama birth certificate. Mark Silva should show us this Obama birth certificate.

And again from the Swamp Blog - "In June, the Obama campaign released an electronic copy of the certificate bearing the seal of the State of Hawaii Department of Health and showing that Barack Hussein Obama II was born to mother Stanley Ann Dunham in Honolulu at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4, 1961.

Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt said last week that the document was authentic.

And now, so has the state of Hawaii."

So your silly Chicago Swampy blog said that the Obama COLB was genuine? Personally Obama keeps his distance from that forged Hawaiian COLB and lets his dumb underlings take on the questions.

[TigersEye]

State law prohibits the Department of Health from disclosing any information about a Hawaii vital record unless the requestor has a direct and tangible interest in the record. This includes verification of vital records and all the information contained in a record. Direct and tangible interest is determined by HRS-338-18(b)

That would put Gov. Lingle in legal jeopardy if she actually did get a friend in to view 0baMao's documents.

[jamese777]

I’m not 100% sure but I think when Janice Okubo answered “yes”. She meant that the reply to the question asked was in the affirmative. (sarc)
I think the question “Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii” is a very direct and easy to understand question.”

I find it particularly easy to understand in light of Dr. Fukino’s own press release statement of July 29, 2009:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii...”

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“If Tea Party groups are to maximize their influence on policy, they must now begin the difficult task of disassociating themselves from cranks and conspiracy nuts. This includes 9/11 deniers, ‘birthers’ who insist Barack Obama was not born in the U.S., and militia supporters espousing something vaguely close to armed rebellion.” Karl Rove, February 17, 2010, The Wall Street Journal Editorial Page

[LorenC]

Birther Debating Tactic #5: The Ad Hominem attack. When caught telling an outright lie, the Birther will avoid defending his claim or admitting to lying by changing the subject and insulting the person who pointed out the lie.

TigersEye: "Four document experts debunked the COLB."
Loren: "Really? Four? Name 'em."
TigersEye: "Ummm...you're a troll. LOL!"

Prediction: TigersEye will not respond to this post by actually naming the four document experts he claimed exists, and will again attempt to change the subject away from that lie.

[Doe Eyes]

We’ve had FReepers assure us that it is impossible to get a passport without a birth certificate.

That doesn't mean that it is kept on file.

From the State Department Website regarding passport applications.

"When applying for a U.S. passport in person, evidence of U.S. citizenship must be submitted with Form DS-11. All documentation submitted as citizenship evidence will be returned to you. These documents will be delivered with your newly issued U.S. passport or in a separate mailing."

[Doe Eyes]

Perhaps you found some obscure legal usage of the term.

I think you would be more correct if you said common legal usage of the word.

[TigersEye]

The subject is your credibility. From your link...

2. Shifting the Burden / Refusing to Prove Factual Claims

They left out unsubstantiated character assassination which was your first tactic.

[Red Steel]

That would put Gov. Lingle in legal jeopardy if she actually did get a friend in to view 0baMao's documents.

If the BS ever hits the fan, I expect Lingle to try and wiggle off the hook by saying 'she believed' at the time Obama was born in Hawaii.

[muawiyah]

Around DC you meet all sorts of people ~ and sometimes you meet a defector.

Defectors typically have American passports if they have any passports at all.

State Department issues passports to non-citizens quite regularly ~ particularly to defectors.

I've met several people over the years who defected and were given American passports. One gentleman was immediately reposted to his country of origin as an officer in our embassy. He'd formerly been an officer in Sukarno's revolutionary army.

Back in the world, at a later time, he held a party in his home where I recall meeting Obama's mother Stanley!