[Old Teufel Hunden]

"ROTFLMAO - if you think that ignoring every information sent to you constitutes winning an argument - enjoy it!"

LOL! You have been the one ignoring the argument!! Like never responding to the fact that it was the Confederate Southern forces (before there was actually a Confederate government BTW) who intiated the hostilities by attacking Union forces.

However, if you think I'm ignoring your "points", then out of that huge list you sent me that is too monotonous to read, pull out one issue that was a valid reason (in your mind) for the secession of the south. Never mind that our founders are on record as believing that a state cannot simply secede in the first place.

[An.American.Expatriate]

Never mind that our founders are on record as believing that a state cannot simply secede in the first place.

Link please? EVERY single reference to date says they dont LIKE the idea - not that it is not allowed!

Like never responding to the fact that it was the Confederate Southern forces (before there was actually a Confederate government BTW) who intiated the hostilities by attacking Union forces.

I don't recall that being a point of contention as to whether a state could secede from the Union - but if you insist - IIRC the south fired upon union forces before the union fired upon southern forces. Happy?

then out of that huge list you sent me that is too monotonous to read, pull out one issue that was a valid reason (in your mind) for the secession of the south.

1. It is NOT my job to do your work for you - if you can't be bothered to read - go to DU were they tell you what to think.
2. I do not recall ever stating that I personally felt the south was justified - indeed I specifically wanted to stay AWAY from that as it immaterial to a debate whether secession is "legal". So you can wait quite a while for a valid reason "in my mind".