Posted on 07/09/2010 4:03:53 PM PDT by curiosity
One of the reasons birthers demand to see Obama's long-form birth certificate (as opposed to the short form already released) is that only the long-form lists the hospital.
Why is the hospital important? Well, birthers claim that if his birth was registered as having taken place at home, then it opens up the possibility that his birth was registered fraudulantly. That is, if he were born in Kenya, his grandma could have gone down to the local registrar, committed perjury by swearing she whitnessed his birth at home in Hawaii, and obtained a birth certificate saying he was born in Hawaii.
Now why would Grandma Dunham do such a thing? Well, birthers say in order to secure US citizenship for her grandson. They correctly point out that Mama Obama was too young to pass on US citizenship to her son automatically had he been born abroad. Therefore, birthers argue, to make sure Bambi got the benefits of US citizenship, Granny risked her freedom and career and committed perjury on his behalf.
There's a gaping hole in this story which birthers have yet to address: the fraud was unnecessary.
While it's true Obama would not be born a US citizen had be been born in Kenya, under section 101 and Title II section 205 of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, in effect at the time, as the minor child of a US citizen, Obama was entitled to a non-quota immigrant visa to enter the US.
Once back in the states, under Title III, section 322 Bambi would be eligible for natuarlization.
So you see, even if Obama were born in Kenya, it was possible to secure his citizenship through perfectly legal means. And no, it was not uncertain because the law explicitly presumed a child of "tender years" would be of good moral character. There were simply no grounds under the law to deny him citizenship once his mother petitioned for it on his behalf.
Yes, it probably would have taken some time for the government to precess the paperwork, maybe a couple years, but who cares? While waiting, Barry would be a permanent resident living in Hawaii with his mom, eligible for virtually all the rights and benefits that go with US citizenship.
So help me out, birthers. If there was no need to fraudulantly register Bambi's birth in Hawaii, what was Grandma Dunham's motive?
A few birthers have said it was to avoid the hassle of naturalization. Okay, let's take that as given.
So Stanely drops Barry in Kenya and sends a wire to grandma, who goes to the local registrar and, after committing perjury, gets a US birth certificate for her grandson. She then sends it to her daughter Kenya by whatever expensive means were available at the time. Great. Now what?
How does that help little Barry? He's still in Kenya and has no papers that would get him admitted to the US. A birth certificate doesn't help. He needs a passport or visa. He can't use the birth certificate for that, either, because a child born in the USA needs to apply for his passport before leaving the country, not afterward. Attempting to use it for this purpose at the US consolate in Kenya would have triggered an investigation and likely uncovered granny's fraud.
So tell me, birthers, what exactly did Grandma Dunham accomplish by committing perjury?
Now compare that to the legal way. Stanley drops litttle barry. She takes her passport and his birth certificate to the US consolate, and obtains a Declaration of Birth of a Child to a US Citizen Abroad. With that document she can get him a non-quota immigrant visa and enter the US without any trouble.
Seems to me the legal way would have involved much less hassle and stress.
So help me out, birthers. What am I missing?
Didn’t have to be his grandmother. His mom could have done it herself upon her return.
In any case, we don’t know why he won’t show the BC. We are guessing what the reason might be but it could be for some reason we haven’t considered. What he’s hiding may be something other than what we think it is.
The point is, he’s hiding something.
An understanding of the Constitution to begin with.
And, in fact, since he won’t release his school records either, or his passport records, its clear he’s hiding a lot of somethings. Again, we can only surmise what they might be. You can make fun of people who come up with ideas about what it is he’s hiding, but the fault lies with the fact that he has erased his paper trail. He’s done it for a reason. He leaves it to us to guess what that might be.
The key word is "naturalization".
Not all citizens are eligable to be President.
I’m not a birther but the question can be easily turned around. Using your argument, even if grandma committed fraud it would not matter...so:
Why not show us a copy of the original and be done with it.
And how would she have gotten him into the country?
LOL. So she committed fraud just in case her half-black grandson might want to run for president?
Simple. He doesn't want to be done with it. Birther conspiracy theories amuse him and help him politically.
You lack a respect for the Constitution.
Neither Pres_ _ent Obama nor Cand_ _ate Mitt Romney are
eligible to ever be President of the United States. .
And how are those relevant to his eligibility?
or his passport records
What, exactly, are you referring to? Old passports? Applications for passports? Of what possible relevance are those?
It's not a major point but I don't believe that was true at the time. I traveled to Italy in 1965 and returned in 1969 with my parents. I don't know what he age cut-off was but as a young minor I was allowed to travel with my parents on their passport.
If there was no problem with his records, the issue would never have come up and the Democrats wouldn’t have spent a small fortune trying to prevent the courts from demanding he produce true records of his background. Long ago I learned that there is something to the expression ‘Where there’s smoke, there’s fire!’.
There is so much time and effort spent trying to interdict asking the man to prove he is elligible for the presidency, for it to be unfounded. The proof being that just showing one document or allowing access to it in Hawaii. would stop all this. If he could, he would have a long time ago. It isn’t there, plain and simple.
There would not be so many people trying to deflect the question if there waa nothing to it.
I'm an economist who specializes in the financial markets.
In addition, I'm very interested in immigration and trade issues.
Recently I've become somewhat obcessed with debunking birthers. Not sure why, but I find it somewhat addictive.
Me thinks you spend too much time defending Obama and not enough time on financial markets. Maybe if you took a look at what Obama is doing to the financial markets, you get off your Crusade and make a worthwhile post around here.
Unless you are just a TROLL. I mean, I could cut and paste enough evidence to support this off the interenet, the same way you do to defend Obama.
Regrdless of the fact that you wont even touch the fact that Obama hides WAY more info, that I feel is more important than his Long Form BC.
Get a life and put bandwitdth to better use.
It may amuse him more than golf but I hardly see how having a constant distraction from the main message is helpful for any politician. The birther movement started with Dems and liberal supporters are beginning to doubt his allegiance to the US.
No, this is costing him politically as well as monetarily and the cure is simple.
I assume he was born here but I am curious about what he is hiding.
“there is simply no way any sane person can believe that Barack Hussein Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii. This birther stuff is a dead end and a waste of time and energy.”——from your profile page (curiosity).
I’m curious, too. If it’s a dead end and a waste of time, why do you ask?
Your profile says you like to agitate (my word) “birthers”...
Just wondering...why do you agitate birthers today?
Aren’t there more important topics to deal with?
No. As I said, what he’s hiding may not be place of birth.
We don’t know what he’s hiding. It may be something that is merely of a personal nature that he doesn’t want out in the public square. But he is hiding something.
And as I said, its a pattern with him. He has erased his entire paper trail. Almost none of his personal documents are available. There is a reason for it.
Mitt Romney? Why isn’t he eligible?
Your Pasport does not contain a listing of the countries you have visited.
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