Posted on 06/11/2010 10:08:26 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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Van der Sloot won’t last any appreciable time in jail. 6-15 years or whatever sentence won’t run its course because Van der Sloot screwed around with the wrong family.
Stephaney’s father will have him raped then murdered in short order.
Looks like Joran van der Sloot is going to feel right at home and is going to be very busy... being sexually abused.
“No, he’s trying to get extradited back to Aruba. He is saying he knows where Natalie’s body is, but will only tell Dutch authorities.”
Remember when Bundy was willing to trade locations of the girls bodies he dispensed with for life in prison instead of the chair? And THAT was a deal made in Florida!
Peru, I imagine will have less ‘dealing’ capacities. They will get the info without a deal.
No, he’s trying to get extradited back to Aruba. He is saying he knows where Natalie’s body is, but will only tell Dutch authorities.
Well, even if you've got extradition treaties with other countries... you still have to serve a sentence in that country before you are extradited to the other country ...
I don't know what the terms of the extradition treaty is with Aruba and Peru, as Aruba is supposed to be an independent country, although part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
Even if he was trying to be extradited, he would have to wait until his present time was served in Peru. I don't see that "move" doing him too much good. Besides, it's something that is under the control of Peru and I don't think they will want him leaving until his time is served.
Joran is the type of person who does this to females, targets who cannot fight back. He only throws glasses of wine into the eyes of males who upset him. Females, on the other hand, get their faces caved in.
In both cases, it seems he attempted to portray these killings as accidental, or as a result of rage, like he was giving the authorities a piece of what they wanted, but still attempting to exhonerate himself or even make himself appear as the victim (Peru case). I believe that both murders were premeditated. In the Peru case, I believe that his knowledge of her poker winnings and his taking of her money indicates that premeditation. He will extort for money, and he will kill for money.
I do not see a judge giving this creep the minimum sentence. The aggraviating factors, I think, will prevent this. If I was the jugde in this case, I would crush this little maggot in the worst hell hole I could find for as long as I possibly could. So far, the peruvian authorities have done an incredible job, much better than those in Aruba, IMO.
Peru, I imagine will have less ‘dealing’ capacities. They will get the info without a deal.
I've seen people here with the impression that Peru is trying to solve other cases, other than the one in their country. The fact of the matter is -- they aren't. They've already said that the case is now "practically closed" because van der Sloot gave them a remarkably complete and full confession, and with that, they were able to wrap it up. And they're just about finished with it right now -- except for all the "legal dancing" for the next few months in court. They've got it "wrapped up" for the Stephany Flores case.
You're not going to see Peru jeopardizing their completed case, in regards to Stehany Flores, for any further questioning in regards to any other case. In fact, they said (the Peruvian authorities) that they limited all their question to just the Flores case. They are interested in nothing else.
As to how the Peruvian authorities got that complete and full confession about Stephany Flores ... well, they said that whenever van der Sloot wanted steak, they gave it to him. When he wanted cigarettes, they gave him all he wanted. They basically gave him whatever he wanted, treated him with kindness -- and got the most complete confession that they could have ever wanted ...
So far, the peruvian authorities have done an incredible job, much better than those in Aruba, IMO.
Well, the Aruban authorities probably made their mistake by not giving him all the steak he could eat and all the cigarettes he could smoke and "killing him with kindness" -- like the Peruvian authorities did ... LOL ...
AND..., that is exactly what the Peruvian authorities did... by the way ... :-) ...
You catch more flies with honey...
Remember when Bundy was willing to trade locations of the girls bodies he dispensed with for life in prison instead of the chair? And THAT was a deal made in Florida!
I don't think that will get van der Sloot out of his "time to be served" in Peru -- but -- what it may do, is get him better accommodations there in Peru.
It may be that the Aruban authorities and the U.S. authorities will emphasize to Peru that they "want their crack" at the perp -- and insist that they make sure he's is available at the end of his sentence -- so that they can have their go at it with their charges.
That's something I can see "legitimately" happening -- because (at least) the U.S. wants to try him -- for sure. And they can't try van der Sloot and get the case solved -- unless -- van der Sloot is available for the U.S. authorities at the end of his Peruvian jail term.
And I'm sure that's exactly what Natalee Holloway's mother would want too -- that is, to have van der Sloot be charged with the murder of her daughter. So, that's going to take him being available at the end of his jail term in Peru.
You catch more flies with honey...
I think the real good investigators and interrogators know this. And I'm sure the Peruvian authorities were very nice to van der Sloot. All they wanted to do is get a full and complete confession and that's exactly what they got by doing things that way.
They also had very good evidence that they showed to van der Sloot which showed him that a full and complete confession was the only thing he could do, too ...
He said he wants to tell the Aruban police what he knows about Hollaway.
You think that’s how they got the confession? I suspected they gave him “enahanced” interrogation.
“I suspected they gave him “enahanced” interrogation.”
Me too.
Oh yes, I know, I read that article in full detail, and also with glee. Frankly, I cannot get enough information on the fate of this worm, and I worry that I am obsessing a bit.
I think the authorities giving him anything that he wanted was a brilliant strategy employed against a narcissistic sociopath who is all about himself, what he can get for himself, and what he has to trade in order to get those things. In this case, he bartered his intimate knowledge of serious crimes for fleeting things that will mean nothing when he gets to where he is going.
Also, it seems like the interrogation was friendly and on the level as opposed to them possibly putting him on the parrot’s perch or Judas cradle, which I have understood are employed in certian places in South America.
You think that’s how they got the confession? I suspected they gave him “enahanced” interrogation.
That's exactly what the Peruvian authorities said ... :-)
And in addition, van der Sloot had someone who was sent from the Dutch Embassy present, and he translated for the police there, doing the questioning.
On top of that, van der Sloot also had his lawyer present too during questioning.
This is what Criminal Police Chief Gen. Cesar Guardia said ...
Guardia denied any suggestion that van der Sloot's confession was forced. He said a translator assigned by the Dutch Embassy was present, as was a state-appointed defense attorney.
Van der Sloot is also getting plenty to eat, Guardia said. "If he wants a steak we give him a steak ... If he wants a cigarette we give him cigarettes."
You can look at the FReeper thread here ...
Me too.
Then you are operating from your imagination and not from the facts ... LOL ...
See Post #57 ...
I think the authorities giving him anything that he wanted was a brilliant strategy employed against a narcissistic sociopath who is all about himself, what he can get for himself, and what he has to trade in order to get those things. In this case, he bartered his intimate knowledge of serious crimes for fleeting things that will mean nothing when he gets to where he is going.
I think that a number of posters here don't realize that this sort of thing actually works ... :-) It's done in probably an overwhelming and vast majority of the cases, not like some FReepers seem to think ...
I was listening to one police investigator one time (talking about interrogations for investigations) and he said that it doesn't matter how bad you think the guy is or how terrible the crime was -- you treat the guy like a human being, treat him intelligently (no matter... and even if he didn't do so to his victim) and you "relate" to him one-on-one as a "real person".
And this police investigator also said that he sometimes "plays into" their somewhat twisted thinking by pretending (at times) to go along with it. That's not agreeing with the crime, but maybe agreeing with some of the "rationale" that a murderer might have in his head for his "justification" for doing what he did.
It's all part of the interrogators techniques.
We should be running a “dead pool” on Joran.
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