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The Earth and moon formed later than previously thought
University of Copenhagen ^ | Jun 7, 2010 | Unknown

Posted on 06/07/2010 5:29:41 PM PDT by decimon

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To: decimon
I'd love to see a sensitivity analysis on both the turbulent mixing model, and on the measurements of tungsten.

Incidentally, is there a date ad terminus on the collision?

Cheers!

61 posted on 06/07/2010 6:08:43 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Larry Lucido

In all 57 states.


63 posted on 06/07/2010 6:09:08 PM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: decimon

The Universe is very old; experts agree.


64 posted on 06/07/2010 6:09:10 PM PDT by Octar
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To: InternetTuffGuy

Bush’s fault. Dang SUVs caused that collision. Must have driven by women.


65 posted on 06/07/2010 6:10:40 PM PDT by JusPasenThru (Why won't those knuckle-dragging tea-bagging right-wing bastards just negotiate with me?)
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To: JDW11235

“We cannot know the age of the Earth, because it’s not only not observable, the processes involved are, as of yet, unobservable to us.”

Nonsense.


66 posted on 06/07/2010 6:12:02 PM PDT by AussieJoe
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To: InternetTuffGuy

Such mastery of the English language. Very impressive.


67 posted on 06/07/2010 6:12:22 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: freedumb2003; valkyry1
Folks, valkyry1 has an obsession with me. He/she/it follows me around and then pretends to be interested in the subject matter.

I don't blame he/she/it -- I am pretty interesting.

Get a room then!

Worry about who pays the rent in the morning....

68 posted on 06/07/2010 6:12:31 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: decimon

Will this affect my Vegas plans next month?

;)


69 posted on 06/07/2010 6:13:13 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: KarlInOhio
Thanks for bringing that up. What would concern me would be inhomogeneities in the samples tested, which could (depending on what went wrong) skew the apparent age.

When forming a coherent whole, it is a good idea to know the size of the likely error bars on different pieces...

Cheers!

70 posted on 06/07/2010 6:13:59 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: AussieJoe

Ok, then we can agree to disagree. But this still doesn’t meet the definition of “science.”


71 posted on 06/07/2010 6:14:00 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: Octar

:)


72 posted on 06/07/2010 6:15:04 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: JDW11235
Thanks. Next I’ll tackle the climate models and why they are not science either. Because the “theories” behind them, cannot work because there are more variables that man/scientists can account for. Hence, figures of unobservable things like the earth’s age are ridiculous. And NOT science.

If you can only account for what you can directly observe, and only within the observed sample, then the variables are, for all practical purposes, infinite. Experimentation is worthless, because any results can only be assumed to be valid for that one sample.

If you get identical results in another sample, or another 1000 samples it might just be conicidence. You cannot say, even after 1000 identical results that number 1001 will be the same, because you haven't seen it yet.

This will revolutionize technology and science. We may very well have seen our last scientific discovery, natural law, or discovered constant.

73 posted on 06/07/2010 6:16:22 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: InternetTuffGuy
Not necessarily retarded, but to those who have studied science, it would require some form of special pleading -- and usually in a fashion which scientists would claim to undercut the philosophical underpinnings of many indirect measurements.

Cheers!

74 posted on 06/07/2010 6:16:23 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: decimon

Gee, I must be a moron.
I always thought God created the Earth and the Moon.


75 posted on 06/07/2010 6:18:50 PM PDT by Riptides
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To: freedumb2003

Good luck arguing with the insane.


76 posted on 06/07/2010 6:19:35 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Thank you.


77 posted on 06/07/2010 6:20:46 PM PDT by InternetTuffGuy
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To: tacticalogic

Correct. The more variables we can understand, the better we can predct the probability of an outcome. That’s why scientific experiments, as you should well know, have constants of temperature, air pressure, instruments of analysis, and so on and so on. Because those “constants” are only constant under those conditions. It is possible to know how a system will behave, IF you can account for all constants. However, some systems are so complex, it is impossible as of yet.

You hit the nail on the head. Thank you for pointing it out. It’s not to say that science can’t be applied, but when more is unknown than known, and there is nothing observable upon which to base an outlandish claim, then it has no place in science.


78 posted on 06/07/2010 6:21:29 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: Riptides

Correct, but we don’t know how, and likely never will. This, is just a matter of conjecture.

But people should still strive to learn, and oneday we may have a lot that we can’t figure out revealed to us, it’s just that academics haven’t just figured out how to say the magic words, “I don’t know.”


79 posted on 06/07/2010 6:23:14 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: JDW11235

“Here’s another for you. Definition of Fact:

“Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed.”

Still observable. Only a moron would continue to argue with a clearly and repeatedly defined word, and pretend it is something else, so please don’t. SCIENCE MUST BE OBSERVABLE, AND MEASURABLE, PERIOD.”

Perhaps you need to consider that a theory is based on observations, and that includes observations of consequences. We as yet have no idea whatsoever what the source of gravity is, but we certainly can observe its consequences. We can’t directly observe what’s happening in the atomic nucleus but that doesn’t mean that we don’t have a sufficiently complete and testable model (theory) based on our observations to make accurate future predictions. That’s what makes controllable nuclear reactions possible.

Based on your posts I seriously doubt you have any formal training in the sciences beyond the grade school level. That’s OK though, most people don’t.


80 posted on 06/07/2010 6:25:46 PM PDT by AussieJoe
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