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To: allmendream
quoting article: "show that their (neanderthal) genomes and ours are more than 99.5 percent identical, differing by only about 3 million bases."

allmendream: "Now where is the data that says that inter-human variability is similarly 99.5%? I have heard more like 99.9%."

That 99.5% is a miscalculation.
The operative number here is "3 million bases", which should calculate to 99.9% identical DNA.
These are the same numbers as amongst modern humans.

Here is my previous post on this subject.

It references this report, from which here is the "money quote":

"Nucleotide diversity is based on single mutations called single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs).

"The nucleotide diversity between humans is about 0.1%, which is 1 difference per 1,000 base pairs.[4][5][6]

"A difference of 1 in 1,000 nucleotides between two humans chosen at random amounts to approximately 3 million nucleotide differences since the human genome has about 3 billion nucleotides.

"Most of these SNPs are neutral but some are functional and influence phenotypic differences between humans through alleles.

"It is estimated that a total of 10 million SNPs exist in the human population of which at least 1% are functional"

In simple English: any two modern humans can differ by up to one-tenth of one percent of their 3 billion DNA base pairs, or about 3 million SNPs. Amongst the entire human population are about three-tenths of one percent (10 million SNPs) total DNA diversity.

Current estimates of Neanderthal vs. modern Human SNPs are also around 3 million.
These would not, of course, necessarily be the same 3 million differences -- excepting potentially 1% to 4% resulting from alleged interbreeding.

Naturally, you might argue that 3 million Neanderthal SNPs is way too few, the number is underestimated, it has to be higher given the time-spans involved.

Yes, you could argue that, but so far 3 million SNPs is still the number, and it makes Neanderthal DNA 99.9% -- not 99.5% -- identical to modern humans. ;-)

72 posted on 06/07/2010 8:51:28 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
You are once again comparing apples and oranges and expecting to get apple juice from oranges.

SNP’s are differences in genetic regions, not over the entire genome. As such, one can say based upon the supposed “miscalculation” that our GENETIC DNA is some 99.9% the same. That is not in any way a miscalculation that our GENOME DNA is only 99.5% the same.

Similarly, our GENETIC DNA is 98.5% similar to a chimpanzee, but over our entire GENOME we are some 96% similar to a chimpanzee.

It is common that people outside of science mistake the two numbers, and confuse and/or conflate the two. You are not the first to make this common mistake.

The end result of a genomic comparison puts our similarity with neanderthals at 99.5%, while any two human beings are 99.9% similar.

Exactly what one would expect if we diverged from them some 500,000 years ago, while any two human populations diverged, at most, 100,000 years ago. A 0.1% genomic DNA difference between any two modern humans is about a 0.5% genomic difference between a human and a neanderthal.

73 posted on 06/07/2010 10:03:30 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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