Posted on 05/01/2010 7:28:47 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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The 1988 c14 test has been falsified. They accurately test what they tested: a patch composed of both original Shroud linen and sixteenth century cotton. The average ages of the combined materials dated to 1260 +\-25 years to 1390 +\-25 years depending on what part of the sample and what proportion of old to new, linen to cotton was rested. Statistically, the results were so different from the three C14 labs, that had they been independently examined, they would have been determined net to have come from the same population. . . or sample.
The sample that was tested was NOT the same as the main body of the shroud. It was mostly a sixteenth century patch invisibly rewoven into the shroud with a known technique to repair an area damaged from too much handling over the centuries.
I got your sarcasm, Art. My reply was for those who didn't.
I viewed “The Fabric of Time” just two weeks ago.
Fascinating, especially the remarks from the physicist!
I realize that, but I was just putting some info out there about which some folks might not be aware. We saw a TV show about this couple, and the scientist they contacted, and it was absolutely fascinating!
No, it wasn't. That "Reproducing the Shroud" documentary was laughable by what they left out. None of the techniques they used met any of the criteria set to reproduce the shroud of Turin and many of the claims they made were out right lies. Easily proven lies. I was aghast at the bold mis-representations they made that would be so easily falsified.
The fact is that we KNOW what the image is made of, due to modern chemistry, and the peer reviewed and published work of the late Ray N. Rogers, which these breathless TV guys choose to totally ignore in their worthless efforts to debunk the Shroud using techniques that were tried and found wanting years ago. It is not any of their proposed modalities. It is not a pigment of any kind.
Shroud of Turin ping.
Maybe you're here to keep an equally confused ZC company?
We can make images on cloth with a lot better quality.
Ah, Leonardo....
Indeed. Back into the "existence" of the Son of God He always is, was, and ever shall be, Alpha to Omega; although simultaneously, for the salvation of mankind He had to undergo the profound indignity (from the point of view of divine Spirit) of physical incarnation as a man — who is fully man, in all his experience, most definitely including the suffering and anguish that would necessarily accompany His agonizing self sacrifice, on the Cross; for US.
Thank you from my heart for your beautiful essay/post, dear lapsus calami!
Thanks for the ping.
Nicely said
I don’t need this relic, or anything else for that matter, to believe.
It’s called “faith” because you have to believe on faith, and nothing else.
IMHO...
First, let me assure everyone that I do believe the Shroud to be authentic.
Second, let me ask those who doubt: Who benefits from faking such a thing? Someone, somewhere had to make something off such a monumental forgery, otherwise there’s no reason to do it. If some talented painter faked it, who paid him, and why? Even if some medieval artist painted it (which I doubt) why would he do it and why not take credit for his work?
Once the doubters answer those questions I’ll entertain suggestions that the Shroud is a fake - not before.
You either haven't done a lot of research or kept up with the research - and have vested interest in the Shroud not being authentic.
In either case, I would think you nay sayers could at least come up wit a half way plausible argument AFTER you had spent the years many of us have in following and studying the copious scientific research done over the years...
To just make such glancing aspersions smacks of - well, guess I'd best not finish that...
I would not waste breath trying to convince such nay sayers of anything - I simply remark on such statements to remind people new to the study of the Shroud not to take notice of such dismissive remarks.
"Is this the face of Jesus"? for those of you who may have missed this last month - you can get the DVD -
worth it
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