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To: Sprite518
MAny folks confuse the two.

MOST agnostics/atheists don't have a problem with Christmas or any of the religious holidays or traditions. In fact, I don't know any who would prevent anyone from praying or practicing any religion which does not harm another...or does not use the authority of the state to inculcate religion in the young.

Most atheist see the VALUE of religion in the social order...considering there's so many folks (and this is NOT a measure of intelligence) who need an external reference point.

82 posted on 04/29/2010 10:30:48 PM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner; All
“MAny folks confuse the two.
MOST agnostics/atheists don't have a problem with Christmas or any of the religious holidays or traditions. In fact, I don't know any who would prevent anyone from praying or practicing any religion which does not harm another...or does not use the authority of the state to inculcate religion in the young.

Most atheist see the VALUE of religion in the social order...considering there's so many folks (and this is NOT a measure of intelligence) who need an external reference point.”

I think that atheists and agnostics and secularists can support conservative positions on most things. Most of the ones I am acquainted with, would be welcome supporters of conservative causes.

However, I think they would have a problem with the “god given rights” part of our founding documents.

The only thing I am really upset about started with Madelene Murray Ohare(it seemed a minor annoyance then. Some atheists/agnostics/secularists seem determined to change our society and constitution from it's religious basis to a society devoid of any reference to God. Liberal activist judges have been quite willing to help.

I agree that freedom of religion is what the framers intended, but we are evolving to more and more freedom from religion. I have to admit I'd kinda like that to stop.

I feel like we have been like Neville Chamberlain giving ground bit by bit. If they can live and let live I am ok with their desire to be free from religion.

But if they are so intolerant of other people's faith, that they have to contact the ACLU and stop some religious tradition then that is increasingly frustrating to me.

There is a Freeper, Loyal Sedition(LS) who claims to be a really good conservative. LS has stated “Freedom of religion has to include the right to be free FROM religion or it is meaningless.

Other LS statements: No one is ever going to force me into their regime, not the communist, Catholics, Mormons, Muslims, Buddhist, Hindu, or any other sect. And let there be no confusion, I desire to be as FREE FROM religion as possible not merely agnostic. Religious holidays annoy me, I am tired of having to conform my schedule to others superstition.” I never knew there was a Conservative who felt this strongly against the US religious traditions. To be fair, I had made a remark about getting rid of government corruption by returning to our Christian roots,and flippantly joked that atheists, etc could be booted out too. It set LS off, called me Taliban, said to bring body bags, labeled the post as "kill the Infidels"LOL I'm just a granny who never even fired a gun.

Just a few days ago, I was thinking about some of the people who have used the courts to restrict our religious traditions. To me, these people are just a guilty(maybe more so) of proselytizing and pushing their anti-religion onto others as the people they take to court.

It seems to me we have spent the last 50 years, giving in to the minority positions to the point that the majority of at least 70% is living according to the dictates of a vocal minority of less than 30%, and that just seems whacked.

So the answer to the question is yes, but if their aversion to religion is so great they are going to sue someone to try to remake the USA into a secular society, then I am not so sure that is compatible with what most conservatives believe about their country.

139 posted on 04/30/2010 12:06:15 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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