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To: chatter4

No, show me the language that states that the only natural born citizens are those with two US citizen parents. It is not defined in such limited language anywhere. I am not sure how to prove a negative. Show me the proof of a case that says ONLY two citizen parents = NBC. It hasn’t been stated, as anyone on these boards will tell you. There is a good chance that that is what the founders meant, but that is not explicitly stated. Sorry. That is what everyone on both sides is annoyed about. The USSC needs to make a definitive ruling one way or another.


364 posted on 04/22/2010 5:49:52 PM PDT by Rutabega (European 'intellectualism' has NOTHING on America's kick-a$$ism!)
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To: Rutabega

“No, show me the language that states that the only natural born citizens are those with two US citizen parents.”

“Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” Did you not notice the “S” on the end of the word “parents”? That makes the word plural, which would certainly mean both parents.


366 posted on 04/22/2010 6:04:20 PM PDT by chatter4
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To: Rutabega

There are no cases. The Constitutional clause refers ONLY to President and Vice-President. The clause has never been argued in the Supreme Court for absent a case that turns on such a candidate any other rulings are moot, only theory.


367 posted on 04/22/2010 6:06:50 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Rutabega
No, show me the language that states that the only natural born citizens are those with two US citizen parents. It is not defined in such limited language anywhere.

Minor v. Happersett

Natural Born status is mentioned in case law: Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168

"'At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country, of parents [plural] who were its citizens [plural], became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further, and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction, without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens.' Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168."

Under Happersett, a natural born citizen is clarified to mean born citizen without a doubt. Doubt entered the picture due to Obama being born a British citizen under The British Nationality Act of 1948, in effect at the time of his birth. He cannot be, as a state of nature, considered a born citizen of the United States, when he was born British.

369 posted on 04/22/2010 6:20:25 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: Rutabega
The USSC needs to make a definitive ruling one way or another.

Or not. The USSC can sit on their tails, deny hearing every birther lawsuit that comes their way and watch as the Obama administration passes into the dustbin of history, allowing precedent to be firmly established.

About the best way to get SCOTUS to hear this would be to have a lower court rule Obama is ineligible. That's a pretty tall order considering that not a single eligibility case has survived a motion to dismiss.

372 posted on 04/22/2010 6:36:28 PM PDT by Drew68
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