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To: Rutabega
No, show me the language that states that the only natural born citizens are those with two US citizen parents. It is not defined in such limited language anywhere.

Minor v. Happersett

Natural Born status is mentioned in case law: Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168

"'At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country, of parents [plural] who were its citizens [plural], became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further, and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction, without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens.' Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168."

Under Happersett, a natural born citizen is clarified to mean born citizen without a doubt. Doubt entered the picture due to Obama being born a British citizen under The British Nationality Act of 1948, in effect at the time of his birth. He cannot be, as a state of nature, considered a born citizen of the United States, when he was born British.

369 posted on 04/22/2010 6:20:25 PM PDT by TigersEye (0basma's father was a British subject. He can't be a "natural-born" citizen.)
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To: TigersEye

There is doubt, but it isn’t conclusive. It says there is doubt, but not that they can’t be NBC’s. We are reading the same thing and inferring two different things.

My argument is about a child who is NOT born in the jurisdiction of another country. I was told my son had no claim to any sort of German citizenship by the German consulate, so he is no more a German citizen than I am. I agree that there can be doubts, I understand they are saying, “you can be sure this type is a NBC, and some people say this type might be a NBC, but we can’t be sure, luckily, we don’t have to decide on that to finish this case.” So, a case like my son’s has not been heard or ruled on. I am saying that I think that my son does not fall into any of the categories that would deny his being a NBC.


370 posted on 04/22/2010 6:28:42 PM PDT by Rutabega (European 'intellectualism' has NOTHING on America's kick-a$$ism!)
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