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To: greeneyes

It seems that you are still confusing citizenship and natural born citizenship. The Constitution clearly states that no except a natural born citizen is eligible to be President. You ask, “Also questioned over the years was whether children born overseas to 2 citizen parents could qualify. Is a child born to an unwed citizen mother, on US soil, eligible? Could Gov. Jindal qualify?”Again, “Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” It does not say that the childs parents had to be married. How could a child that was born overseas qualify? If the child was not born in our nation, to citizen parents, then the child is not a natural born citizen. How could Jindal qualify? Was he born in our nation to citizen parents? No, his parents were not citizens at the time of his birth, so he is not a natural born citizen.


363 posted on 04/22/2010 5:09:22 PM PDT by chatter4
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To: chatter4

“It seems that you are still confusing citizenship and natural born citizenship. The Constitution clearly states that no except a natural born citizen is eligible to be President”

No I am not confusing the two. I stated quite plainly that I agree that a natural born citizen is a person whose parents are both citizens, and who is born within the jurisdiction of the USA. I asked you some questions to make sure I understood how strictly you viewed the issue.

Also, I acknowledge that there are those who have questions about other situations which many people think are also NBC, and which the court has not addressed.

Some of their arguments have more merit than others, and since I am not a lawyer, or a judge, I can not even pretend to know what the Supreme Court would decide, should a case come before them. (After all I am still puzzling over how abortion can be considered constitutional).

There are a number of people on this site that think Gov Jindal is a NBC, and should run for president, and that is the only reason I asked what you thought about him.

In fact one of them told me I was wrong that only someone who had 2 citizen parents born on US soil (under the jurisdiction of the USA) is a NBC, because if that was true, then Jindal would be ineligible to run.

A hypothetical question for you: Suppose John Quincy Adams had been born in the US embassy, in France because his Father was the French Ambassador. Could he have been considered a NBC?

Embassies are after all, considered to be within the jurisdiction of their respective governments, hence some would argue that the US embassy in a foreign nation represents US soil, and you know, it is considered sovereign to the USA.

Should we ask citizens to serve their country overseas, often at great sacrifice, and deny their children NBC status? Many people would say no, if both parents are citizens of the USA, they should be NBC. A court might also rule that they are NBC, I don’t know.

Now I wish you would answer the other questions I asked you: Which Supreme Court rulings have stated that the term NBC for presidential eligibility was reserved EXCLUSIVELY for a person born of 2 citizen parents on US soil?

I would very much like to read them. You did state that their were many Supreme Court cases which used that definition. So what are they?

Which source did you use to determine that the “legal definition” of NBC is “those born in country of parents who are citizens.” I would like to be able to cite it in future debates on the issue.

Oh and a couple of other questions. Do you consider John McCain to be a Natural Born Citizen?(He was born in the Panama Canal Zone).

What about Barry Goldwater (I read somewhere that he was born in the Arizona Territory before it was a state, yet he did run for President).

Are you aware that the 1790 statute passed by Congress stated that children born out of the country to citizen parents are considered NBC? What do you think about that?


397 posted on 04/22/2010 9:32:28 PM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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