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To: MHGinTN; Genoa
I disagree, and until a case shows exactly what a natural born citizen is, I feel that I am within my rights. Remember, according to Germany, my son has no more rights as a German citizen than anyone else who is not born a German citizen, and I do not believe that a US court would agree that there is any logical inference that Germany would be my son's point of loyalty over the US.
In a case where dual citizenship has been applied for and received, perhaps there is more of an argument. If Barry did get dual citizenship (which he claims) then he might get a different response than my son.
The reason I bring this up is that Barry is one of thousands of kids who are in this situation, and I truly do not think the courts will decide to make them all some sub-class of citizen. Imagine kids who are born to military men who marry a non-US national and have a child before the other parent becomes a US citizen. If they are born in the US, I do not think that anyone (until recently while trying to figure out a way to get rid of Obama) would consider them anything other than a natural born US citizen. When I took civics, it was “born in the US, you can be president, born overseas, not on a base, you can't.” My mother says that is what she learned, as well. Her mother was English and not a citizen when she was born, though her father was AF and she was born in DC at Walter Reed hospital. She went to schools on US bases all through Europe and America and says that everyone in her case knew that they were allowed to run for president if they were 35 and had lived in the US for 14 years, so I just don't buy the one US citizen parent + one non-US citizen parent, born on US soil = no NBC. I think we can agree to disagree. After all, the founders most definitely didn't agree on a heck of a lot. :) MGHinTN, I am very happy for you that your mom went through the birth with you. That was brave and inspiring.
271 posted on 04/22/2010 9:17:46 AM PDT by Rutabega (European 'intellectualism' has NOTHING on America's kick-a$$ism!)
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To: Rutabega

“If they are born in the US, I do not think that anyone (until recently while trying to figure out a way to get rid of Obama) would consider them anything other than a natural born US citizen.” When you start with the assumption of what you want to prove, you’re playing word games not discussing the issue. Just being born on US soil is not sufficient, according to what the founders placed upon the meaning of Natural Born Citizen. ... And Barry Soetoro was a dual citizen at birth—if Barack Obama was indeed his father, which I actually now doubt, but that is grist for another mill—and then became a legal citizen og Indonesia via Lolo Soetoro, who remained his legal adoptive father even after Barry went to Occidental College and at least into his sophmore year! What you are arguing would open the door to cancel what the founders sought to protect, making anchor babies eligible to be President. Sorry, cannot side with that. And if you actually look at the documents from the era of the founding Constitution, Natural Born Citizen was a person with two American Citizen parents and born on U.S. soil.


283 posted on 04/22/2010 10:38:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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