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To: Rutabega

“If they are born in the US, I do not think that anyone (until recently while trying to figure out a way to get rid of Obama) would consider them anything other than a natural born US citizen.” When you start with the assumption of what you want to prove, you’re playing word games not discussing the issue. Just being born on US soil is not sufficient, according to what the founders placed upon the meaning of Natural Born Citizen. ... And Barry Soetoro was a dual citizen at birth—if Barack Obama was indeed his father, which I actually now doubt, but that is grist for another mill—and then became a legal citizen og Indonesia via Lolo Soetoro, who remained his legal adoptive father even after Barry went to Occidental College and at least into his sophmore year! What you are arguing would open the door to cancel what the founders sought to protect, making anchor babies eligible to be President. Sorry, cannot side with that. And if you actually look at the documents from the era of the founding Constitution, Natural Born Citizen was a person with two American Citizen parents and born on U.S. soil.


283 posted on 04/22/2010 10:38:34 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

I don’t think the founders would have necessarily thought that babies born in the US to non-US parents wouldn’t have been US citizens with the right to run for president. I understand that this is not good when we have groups of illegals coming over here to get freebies, but, I do not think they would have said, “John and Mary came from England in the year 1800 and had a baby as soon as she stepped off of the boat, but that baby won’t be eligible to run for president in 35 years because his parents were not born in the US prior to the Revolution, and were not yet US citizens at the time of the birth.” This train of thought can’t rule out some ethnic groups, but not others.
America was founded by immigrants, and I don’t think the founders thought excluding any group who was living in the US should be excluded from being part of the government.
As neither of us can go and talk to the founding fathers of this country and as for sure what they meant, we really can’t be 100% sure what they meant.


296 posted on 04/22/2010 11:18:58 AM PDT by Rutabega (European 'intellectualism' has NOTHING on America's kick-a$$ism!)
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