Posted on 04/12/2010 12:12:09 PM PDT by wolfcreek
Based on the hundreds of e-mails, Facebook comments and Tweets I've read in response to my denunciation of Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell's decision to honor Confederates for their involvement in the Civil War -- which was based on the desire to continue slavery -- the one consistent thing that supporters of the proclamation offer up as a defense is that these individuals were fighting for what they believed in and defending their homeland.
In criticizing me for saying that celebrating the Confederates was akin to honoring Nazi soldiers for killing of Jews during the Holocaust, Rob Wagner said, "I am simply defending the honor and dignity of men who were given no choice other than to fight, some as young as thirteen."
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
Do those comparisons ~truly~ “connect” in your mind?
If so, you are *the* most aptly named FReeper in history.
I know that surely *you* must know this but it was not a true “civil war” in the respect that the south did *not* want to invade/conquer/occupy/overthrow the north or its government.
They wanted, as was their constitutional right, to simply walk away from the [formerly] voluntary union and be left alone.
If you are not aware of that, I’m afraid there’s nothing more for me to say to you.
You are beyond hope.
It was touching that Nast dedicated that accurate visual summary of the spirit of the Confederacy to Jeff Davis who would rather unleash chaos on the land than see the forward march of slavery halted.
If you want feel free to mail all your fives and fifties to me.
When the government bubble finally pops you federal sycophants are going to look real stupid.
Oh...pardon my faux pas, then.
I thought you actually wanted the state’s history.
:)
So were your idols - Lee, Jackson, Davis, you name 'em.
I'm not sure what's connecting in your's. Except Southron myth.
Your dealing with somebody who never tasted a federal boot that he didn’t like. He suckles the federal teat every 15th and 30th of every month .
You say we're going to look like idiots when "the government bubble finally pops"? You manage to look like an idiot every day.
To be specific it was federal government restrictions which led to the arguments of state vs. federal rights .Sounds like the same thing going on today with Obamacare and states passing laws to protect their firearm rights from the federal government .
Formal education was not easily obtained, but he attended school when and where he could. Much of Jackson’s education was self-taught. He once made a deal with one of his uncle’s slaves to provide him with pine knots in exchange for reading lessons; Thomas would stay up at night reading borrowed books by the light of those burning pine knots. Virginia law forbade teaching a slave, free black or mulatto to read or write, as enacted following Nat Turner’s Slave Rebellion in Southampton County in 1831. Nevertheless, Jackson secretly taught the slave to write, as he had promised. Once literate, the young slave fled to Canada via the underground railroad.[10] In his later years at Jackson’s Mill, Thomas was a schoolteacher.
I wonder what the penalty would have been, had Jackson been caught teaching a black man to read, illegally?
Robert E. Lee letter dated December 27, 1856:
I was much pleased the with President’s message. His views of the systematic and progressive efforts of certain people at the North to interfere with and change the domestic institutions of the South are truthfully and faithfully expressed. The consequences of their plans and purposes are also clearly set forth. These people must be aware that their object is both unlawful and foreign to them and to their duty, and that this institution, for which they are irresponsible and non-accountable, can only be changed by them through the agency of a civil and servile war. There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things. How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild and melting influences of Christianity than from the storm and tempest of fiery controversy. This influence, though slow, is sure. The doctrines and miracles of our Savior have required nearly two thousand years to convert but a small portion of the human race, and even among Christian nations what gross errors still exist! While we see the course of the final abolition of human slavery is still onward, and give it the aid of our prayers, let us leave the progress as well as the results in the hands of Him who, chooses to work by slow influences, and with whom a thousand years are but as a single day. Although the abolitionist must know this, must know that he has neither the right not the power of operating, except by moral means; that to benefit the slave he must not excite angry feelings in the master; that, although he may not approve the mode by which Providence accomplishes its purpose, the results will be the same; and that the reason he gives for interference in matters he has no concern with, holds good for every kind of interference with our neighbor, -still, I fear he will persevere in his evil course. . . . Is it not strange that the descendants of those Pilgrim Fathers who crossed the Atlantic to preserve their own freedom have always proved the most intolerant of the spiritual liberty of others?
I know.
I keep hoping that people will finally see that history is repeating itself in a subtler, pernicious form that is even more dangerous than before...:-\
Have you actually seen any of the new pennies, yet?
Not only do they look ‘odd’, they weigh almost literally nothing, as though they’re hollow.
In a theoretically perfect world [one in which the constitution were strictly adhered to] that is true.
*But*, we had a president who refused to yield to constitutional law, as put forth by the founders.
Deja vu.
Yes, indeed. Then we wouldn't have to listen to all of you Keyboard Konfederates screaming about how awful Sherman was.
*sigh*
It appears that I grossly misjudged you.
Ah, yes. Lee’s “Slavery’s good for them and God will get around to freeing them someday and it’s no use any of us try to do anything about it” letter. That’s what passes for an enlightened attitude in the old south.
...and apparently still does for some...
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