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1 posted on 03/21/2010 9:37:39 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Beam me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 03/21/2010 9:38:35 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (Warmists as "traffic light" apocalyptics: "Greens too yellow to admit they're really Reds."-Monckton)
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Statistics is strange....mathematics....usually.


3 posted on 03/21/2010 9:39:04 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Lies, damned lies and statistics...


4 posted on 03/21/2010 9:39:47 AM PDT by gundog (A republic...if you can keep it.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

If a large number of people have come to intuitively understand that after reading decades of hysterical “science” news stories, then this isn’t really that much of a revelation. There are a lot of fields of study that are treated as a science when they’re not.


6 posted on 03/21/2010 9:42:11 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Brings to memory Bayes Theorem.


7 posted on 03/21/2010 9:46:07 AM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Statistics is a well understood mathematic discipline. It’s weaknesses and strengths are well documented. The problem is not the math behind science, it is the persons that are intentionally trying to sell a falsehood.

There are entire books written on how to deal with alpha and beta errors which this article insinuates are not understood.


8 posted on 03/21/2010 9:47:08 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Easy way to frame this argument. If you were a high school science student and had to use statistical “smoothing” to produce the “right” data, what kind of grade would you get?


9 posted on 03/21/2010 10:00:46 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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Related thread:

Odds Are, It's Wrong (rampant statistical problems in science)

10 posted on 03/21/2010 10:06:08 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It seems to me that it is less over-reliance on statistics, than misapplication of statistics that is at fault in the state of “climate science”. And this misapplication has two aspects: the much-discussed one involving dishonesty—selecting weather stations about which statistical inferences must be drawn (due to gaps or the need to estimate an urban heat-island effect) in preference for ones with long continuous track records in rural areas, omitting weather stations in colder regions (e.g. the Andes) and making inferences based on “nearby” stations in areas with radically different climate—and one involving an honest conceptual error.

The conceptual error lies behind the “weather is not climate” mantra, that hides the fact that climate IS weather, averaged over longish-time intervals, but I think also hides the mistaken assumption that the variability of weather is random noise of the sort statistical methods are useful for dealing with. In fact, the unpredictability of weather is due to the underlying non-linear dynamics that does not go away when you take time averages.


12 posted on 03/21/2010 10:32:31 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The current trend is to model a dynamic system, and then calibrating the model to historic statistics by using hidden assumptions, (which can be really wrong.) Then the modelers feel confident in using the model to predict the future and to regulate the heck out of you.


19 posted on 03/22/2010 8:49:31 PM PDT by marsh2
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Dear reader remember that you can’t PROVE anything with statistics.


22 posted on 03/23/2010 4:44:09 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
My Wife works in R & D. In her first year, a senior engineers told her that any test she performed could be manipulated to have a *desired* outcome.

It all comes down to integrity and honor.

23 posted on 03/23/2010 5:03:08 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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This just in. The IPCC has declared there is a consensus that this article is wrong, within a 90% confidence factor . . . .


24 posted on 03/23/2010 7:20:10 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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