Microsoft unveils IE9 public preview

ComputerWorld ^ | 3-16-10 | Gregg Keizer

[Justaham]

Microsoft today unveiled a public sneak peek of its newest browser, Internet Explorer 9 (IE9), aimed at Web developers and the technically brave of heart.

"The Platform Preview, and the feedback loop it is part of, marks a major change from previous IE releases," said Dean Hachamovich, the browser team's general manager, in a statement issued today before he took the stage at MIX10, Microsoft's Web developer conference, to publicly launch IE9.

Hachamovich promised that Microsoft would update the IE9 preview about every eight weeks, putting the first such update in mid-May with another to follow in mid-July. He did not, however, disclose a release schedule for the successor to 2009's IE8, the browser bundled with Windows 7 .

IE 9 Platform Preview is far from polished, or even finished, Microsoft acknowledged, which is why it has slapped the moniker on the release, a first for IE.

"While it loads and renders Web pages using the Internet Explorer 9 platform, it is not designed to be a complete Web browser," Microsoft said in a fact sheet that accompanied the preview's announcement. "This build is simply a first look at the work Microsoft has done so far and is ready to share with its developer community."

Missing from the browser are critical user navigation tools such as the address bar, as well as security features like the SmartScreen anti-malware filter and IE8's private-browsing mechanism.

To give Web site designers, application developers, and others who want to track the new browser's progress a chance to try IE9, Microsoft has created what it called a "Test Drive" site that showcases the features and enhancements included in the preview.

[discostu]

yes, you go to the site, you login, and then autocomplete pops up and asks if you want it to keep that ifo. POPS UP. Get it.

[SmokingJoe]

No it’s not.

You bet it is. Home users love the IE8 tour.
In addition, all they have to do is click a button, and the tour is gone, so they can come back to it anytime they want. Easy.

“You can lie o yourself all you want,”

Chortle!
This is from a guy LIED that he had “removed all IE8” from his computers, when in reality he still had IE8 on his computer all along.
The biggest liar on FR bar none.

” but reality is what reality is and reality is that nobody likes tours,”

You wouldn't know reality if it hit you between the eyes.
You have told so many lies, you don't even know reality from your constant lying anymore.
LOL!

” because they’re always stupid.”

IE8 tour is great. You see, I have actually used it myself, so I know what am taking about. Plus you can always supplement all that by going to the IE8 site if you want more instruction.

” They never actually tell you how to use the app, they just make you click through a bunch of stupid stuff”

Is that all the vocabulary you have?
“Stupid stuff”?
Look its not my fault if your are mentally y challenged and very limited in your vocabulary is it?
Chortle!
BTW, they DO take you through the steps on how to use it.

“. Once somebody has done more than two app tours in their life they’ve learned the things are a waste of time, and they don’t welcome future ones.”

Well there is the veeeeerrrryy sllllllooooowww learners like yourself, who even the user friendly IE8 tour is not clear. For retards like you, gotta go get your elderly aunt, who actually went through the IE 8 tour and understood it, to come explain it all to you, little boy.
Poor guy.

[discostu]

Sorry bub, I’ve been in the industry too long and seen the customer comments on tours. People don’t like them, they skip them, and if you make them hard to skip they find it even worse. The industry should just yank them, actually most of the industry has.

And there you go with the insults. proving, once again, that you know the facts aren’t on your side. Only people that can’t admit they’re wrong need insults. So far you’re deep in the 0fer territory, every single assertion you’ve put forth has been wrong, you don’t even know what you said half the time.

[SmokingJoe]

I will explain this sllloooooowwwwly.
You have to put in a userid and password the first time you log in to ANY site. If you don't put in your password and userid, you cannot log on to FR and post. Get it?
That is what is called normal. Nothing "annoying" about that.
Now after you log in to FR the very first time, you have the option in IE8 to let FR remember your password or not.
If you are on a public computer, you gotta chose “NO” so no one can come in after you’ve left and log on to your account, and do damage to your account. If you are on your home computer you say “YES” and that's it.
After that, you NEVER have to put in a userid or password again, ever. You point your browser to FR, and your are logged in already. NO POPUPS. Get it?

[discostu]

I understand it completely. What’ you’re deliberately ignoring to support your lie is the popup autocomplete spews when at this stage “you have the option in IE8” if you want it to remember for you. Yes you do have the option presented to you VIA A POPUP. STOP LYING.

[SmokingJoe]

Sorry bub, I’ve been in the industry too long and seen the customer comments on tours

Yeah, and I am Mother Theresa too. So far, you haven't said anything that made any sense. You have no idea what you are talking about.

“People don’t like them, they skip them,”,/i>

Chortle!
You were talking about HOME users no? Them people that you claimed had 'no sysadmins" at home?
Them poor old grandmothers and old aunties? They like them, cause they are not techies, and the tour tells them in a nice friendly way, how to use IE8, when they install E8 at home, and thre in no one around to tell the how to use its features.

” and if you make them hard to skip they find it even worse.”,/i>

Again, there is a clearly marked button to skip the IE8 if you want to, and again you have the option to come back and take the tour whenever you want if you want to as well.
Easy. See?

[SmokingJoe]

Still peddling your fakery from your little fantasy world here huh?
Listen, most sites have a little button, right next to where you put in your password, which says “Do you want this site to remember your password?”
So you put in your userid, you put in your password, you click the “Do you want this site to remember your password?” button, then click “login” and VIOLA! You are in. No popups see?
And after that, whenever you come to the site, you are automatically logged on, NO POPUPS, NO PASSWORD, NO USERID. Nothing! Easy.

[discostu]

I’m talking about all users. There are 3 big things the industry is phasing out: thick documentation because nobody reads it, context sensitive help because the only people that know how to bring it up don’t need it, and tours because nobody likes them.

Grandmas and old aunties don’t like tours because the information isn’t what they need when they need it. It’s a bunch of demo crap about features they don’t understand how they’ll use them and by the time they get to them they’ve forgotten what the tour said. Application tours are just like tourist tours: they’re boring, they don’t show what the people actually want to see, and they wind up not being informative.

The clearly marked button to get rid of the tour, Ask Me Later, causes the tour to come back up the next day. It doesn’t actually get rid of it permanently.

[discostu]

That little button has nothing to do with autocomplete, that little button tells the website to put a cookie on your machine with login data. That is 100% unrelated in any way to IE’s autocomplete feature. If you go into the FR login page you’ll even see they mention the cookies: “Convenient You will remain logged in even if you close your browser. Logging off clears all cookies. (This is how Free Republic has always worked.)”

Funny how the people who throw the most insults so often are the ones who have no idea what they’re talking about.

[SmokingJoe]

That little button has nothing to do with autocomplete

It has everything to do with avoiding any popups. Once you put in your userid, your password and click the little “Remember my password” button, that's it. No popupus, no userids, no passwords again, EVER!
So what's your problem?
You just crack me up. Here is a guy that boasted that he had removed all IE8 from his computers after downloading it, only for it turns out the lying sucker was still using IE8 anyways.
You just can't trust open source fanatics to tell the truth..ever. They will lie and cheat every singe time about Microsoft products they know nothing about, in their pathetic attempts to spread as much FUD about any Microsoft product as they can.

[discostu]

Not really. Because it's a WEBSITE feature and not an IE feature your autocomplete has nothing to do with it. You can go to a login website for the first time with autocomplete enabled and check that box and still get the popup. They have absolutely nothing to do with each other, nothing about that checkbox (or dropdown on FR) has any effect at all on the behavior of autocomplete or vice versa. Here's an example of the popup and the dropdown both happening at the same time completely unaware of each other:

I don't have a problem. You on the other hand have now fully established that you have absolutely no idea what in the hell you're talking about. You think website cookies and IE's autocomplete feature have anything to do with each other at all.

[SmokingJoe]

I’m talking about all users.

What “all users” is that?
Are you the same guy that first of all complained that the little old lady at home cannot do registry hacks? After which I pointed out to you that they don't need to, because as it happens, they have the IE8 tour to take them through a nice friendly lesson on how to use IE8.
You are the one that kept whining about having to do the IE8 tour no? Even after I pointed out to you that all you had to do was click a button to skip the IE8 tour, you still kept whining about IE8 tour anyways about “having 25 computers to deal with”(yeah right!), so of course I pointed you to MSDN, where they give you a registry hack to avoid the IE8 tour altogether if you want.
So now you don't have anything to stand on.
All your lies and rubbish have been exposed and taken apart one by one.

There are 3 big things the industry is phasing out: thick documentation because nobody reads it,

Ummm...every sysadmin who knows his business reads thick documentation, albeit it may be read on a computer screen, instead of in book form. You are not going to really understand an IBM mainframe, an IBM AS400, Win Sever 2008, Exchange Server, SQL Server etc, without reading the documentation.

” context sensitive help because the only people that know how to bring it up don’t need it,”

Home users and non-techies(they make up most PC users), say “Hello”.

” and tours because nobody likes them.&rdquop>

Post installation tours are used by million of home users every day. As it happens, Microsoft collects data on user experiences(anonymously of course)if you select that option after installing some of their products, so they know how useful their IE8, Win 7 etc post installation tours are..

[discostu]

All users. Nerdy, not nerdy, office workers, programmers, grannies. People don’t like app tours, they don’t take app tours. There’s a reason why MS is just about the only company left that bothers with those things, and I won’t be surprised if their next wave of apps doesn’t include them, heck Windows7/ 2008R2 has basically dropped the tour already. It is simply not something people are interested in.

As I’ve pointed out to you many times, that button DOES NOT make the tour go away for every. STOP LYING.

No even sysadmins don’t read thick documentation. They don’t have time, your average thick doc fora server side app is close to 1000 pages long, a Sysadmin is going to be dealing with a dozen different apps at least, they don’t have the time or reason to read through a thick doc knowing that by the time they need to use the information in there they’ll have already forgotten it. The most people use thick docs for is reference material, if they need to do X they’ll try to find X in the index, if they can’t find it they’ll either call tech support or go online. Thick docs are dead. Do you realize that 3 out of the 5 things you listed (all the MS stuff) don’t actually do thick docs anymore.

Home users and non-techies almost never know how to bring up the context sensitive help. You need to be a techie to know to hit F1 or to use the little question mark icon, and if you’re a techie you probably don’t need the info in it. Most companies have phased it out already. Heck even IE8 doesn’t implement the question mark icon the old way (if you click on it full help comes up, in full context sensitive help you click on the question mark then click on an item only a small popup with help on that item will come up).

Post installation tours have been phased out by most companies. MS likes to be behind the times on stuff.

[SmokingJoe]

Because it's a WEBSITE feature and not an IE feature your autocomplete has nothing to do with it.

Auto-complete has everything to do with it. Even if you select the option NOT to remember your password, when you visist the site again, all you gotta do is click the box for “userid”, and your userid just appears in a drop down list.
In addition of course most sites give you the option to let IE8 remember your password, so that whenever your point your browser at that site, you are automatically logged on. After you have you click your “Remember my password” button+userid+password, then click your "Login" button, you are logged in straight away, with NO POPUPS, like this:

Get it?

[discostu]

That only happens if you select autocomplete. They are two COMPLETELY UNRELATED things. FR has had that same drop down since I first got here, before anybody ever invented autocomplete. That drop down uses cookies. GET IT.

[SmokingJoe]

All users. Nerdy, not nerdy, office workers, programmers, grannies

Stupid users like you, yes. On the other hand, ALL users I know like the IE8 tour.
Given that you swore at the start of this thread that you had REMOVED all IE8 from all your computer right after installing it, how can you suddenly be an expert on IE 8 tour?
You already never installed IE 8 on all those famous (non existent) 25 computers of yours, no?
So what makes you an expert on how IE8 user experience of the IE8 tour then?
Tell us how many million Windows PC's you monitored and exactly where you gathered your statistics on IE8 user experience from will ya?
I dub thee the BIGGEST LIAR on FR.

[SmokingJoe]

That only happens if you select autocomplete

Chortle!
Listen clown-face, you sety up autocomplete just ONCE, right after you have installed your IE8. That's it.
You don't slect auto-complete at every site you visit after that, or everytime you gotta log in to any site.
Will you excuse me while laugh?

[discostu]

Oh look more insults. And no content, and stunning lack of reading comprehension. It’s been a fun 3 days, but it’s clear at this point that you have nothing in your arsenal but insults, you present no facts, you lie about your experience, you don’t understand the difference between a website feature and a browser feature, you think autocomplete has something to do with cookies, and you’re just generally a worthless punk 12 year old bully, which since I’ve been in this industry 15 years puts you beneath my contempt.

We’re done. Reread all of your insults and understand that you’ve lived up to every last one of them. And you’re a liar.

[newfreep]

Just to break-in on this topic re: IE8 (XP)...

I have some websites that does NOT "Auto-Complete" and does NOT remember sign-in name & password. Can I do this manually and get "Auto-Complete" affecting this website?

[SmokingJoe]

It's always fun to beat yet another Microsoft-hating open source fanatic(or whatever agenda you have been pushing) into the ground. Your ridiculous attempt to spread mindless lies and FUD about IE8 have been beaten down. Next time, you will not be se free with your bomb throwing, because you know you will be tackled vigorously and brought down. That's all that counts.