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Here is what I am trying to do. Five years ago my brother and I were taking about how churches drive away intellects and scientists who are in the “born again” category. Since that day and after being a field historian for years in the US Army, I began to see Genesis from more of a historical value beyond that of what people are saying in church.

Well, I can see what you're doing in your view of things, but I would venture to say that it's the opposite of what you're trying to say to me right here. I'll explain that with the next part of what you said.

We are talking about the same major flood. However, churches today now interpret a world flood that of today’s world.

When you say "we are talking about the same major flood ..." -- well, that's where it's really apparent that you're wrong on the matter. It would clearly appear to me that we're not talking about the same major flood. But, I'll hold on that to clarify what I just said up above, first.

When I said that it's the opposite of what you're saying, I say that to mean while you're saying that today the "church" (at least some people in the church) -- "churches today now interpret a world flood that of today's world," -- instead it's actually -- "today's secular mentality interprets what the Bible says in today's 'worldview'."

In todays "worldview" with a secular mentality, this sort of thing is considered and viewed as a limited and/or local type of flood, albeit -- it could be a very large one on a scale not seen today. It's still considered limited and local. And it's not considered possible (again in todays secular "worldview" and "thinking") that it's not possible to have a "world-wide flood" -- so since it's seen (in that type of thinking) that it's not possible to have a world-wide flood -- we must reinterpret what is clearly said in the Bible to mean what "we know is the situation" instead of some "limited understanding" that ancient people had and "obviously" did not understand what was going on, fully.

It's not the "churches" who have the "problem" as I see it -- it's the people who have this secular worldview outlook -- who are the problem, as it's them who cannot accept what is clearly stated. Thus, they are the ones who are engaged in "reinterpreting things" according to today's way of understanding things, you see... :-)

And hence -- that's why we see this statement ... "I interpret it in the valley that Noah and his family lived."

That pretty much makes the "case" that I'm saying is the "real problem" here... you see...

That said, Noah’s world flood. Here is a man who lives for centuries, educated in boat structure sees a need for an Ark. The world Flood you believe in is a Missoula Flood in my evidence.

The only problem with that, is while I see many floods happening over the period of mankind's existence (after the flood, because of the changed climatic conditions) -- I don't see these local and/or regional floods as what the Bible is talking about. The details don't match up.

Noah’s world flood is that of his world. I take the literal in the time frame of literal 10,000 years ago. They didn’t know the world to be round.

This is the final paragraph of what you said up above, and I'll "take off" from here and go into it a bit more about that world-wide flood.

First, I'll start with this particular comment... "They didn’t know the world to be round."

This part, here -- shows a misunderstanding of the Bible, right off the bat. And it's usually "right here" (on this type of thing) that all the misunderstandings about the Bible and all the errors of the secular worldview, regarding the Bible, come into play.

When you say that "they didn't know ..." -- you've just started off on the wrong foot, with the Bible before even getting into the "content" of what was said.

You see... it was "God, Himself," who was the one who "said", and thus it was God, Himself, who was the one who would know -- or not know. Now, when we look at that, and we consider that just a bit before that, God just got through making the entire space-time existence of anything and everything -- you wouldn't expect me to believe that this same God, who made the earth itself -- doesn't know that it's round... do you? :-)

Of course -- I think it's clear that the God who is capable of getting a human being reconstructed back in one piece from having the dead body's pieces scattered into a million pieces and parts, scattered all over the ground and oceans and air, and who resurrects it back into a living being again, from all those inanimate and disassociated pieces -- that same God would know that the earth was round. It makes sense, to me. Perhaps it doesn't make sense to the "secular mind"... :-)

But, going on from there, let's say that this is a local/regional flood in a valley that Noah lives in, and God is wanting to spare 8 people from this flood. Well, considering that God told Noah about this 120 years before it happened -- if God was "smart" -- he would just have those eight people "walk out of the valley, and into the next valley to avoid that flood, doncha know ... LOL ...

I mean, I think one could "walk around the globe" about 10 times over again in 120 years... :-)

Then there's the part about the animals and putting them aboard the boat. Again, if you've got a bunch of animals that are unique to that valley, you just have them walk out of the valley, into the next valley and those animals are okay.

Of course, I'm only talking about animals that would be unique to that particular valley, because if they were common animals to several valleys, it wouldn't matter if those animals died there, because they would still exist in the next valley over and the next and the next.

And continuing..., it is also obvious that God intended to kill everyone except for those 8 people (not talking about reasons here, except that God intended to do that).

Now..., how was God going to keep those other people "in the valley" for the next 120 years, so He could make sure He killed them all, except for those particular 8 people that He chose to live and survive that flood? I mean, was God going to have a fence built around the valley for the next 120 years, so that no one could move or migrate or marry into a clan in the next valley and thus "survive" the flood in that valley?

Anyway, the more you go into the "local/regional flood" rationalization (out of "today's mentality" that is "read back into the text") -- the more stupid the whole thing becomes... to the point where the whole thing becomes utterly ridiculous to even contemplate at all.

BUT, when you get into the reason for the flood, and as to why such a drastic step was taken by God to have a world-wide flood in which every last single human being that existed in the entire globe would be killed (and definitely killed as the "purpose" and as the "intended aim of God") -- then that reason makes it clear why a world-wide flood was absolutely necessary and that a local and regional flood would be a "disaster" from the "standpoint of that reason".

The reason has been discussed in many places, over many years and by many people, so it's nothing new, but it may be new to some people who read it for the first time that they've come across it. It's not new to Christianity, since it's been mentioned since the early centuries of Christianity -- definitely so. And it's not new to the Jews, who were aware of the reason, too... from before the time of Christianity. So, don't think I'm bringing something "new" into this picture here -- it's just that a certain number of people won't be familiar with it

The reason why God had to wipe out the entire human race, during that time, with the world-wide flood, was because of the angelic intrusion of angels into the human genome, during the time leading up to Noah's day. That's mentioned in Genesis 6.

I talk about it, most recently in this thread ... at Post #93 and Post #98 ... and there are other threads and other posts on it, but this much shows anyone (who is interested) what it's about.

The destruction of the human genome, by angelic interference, was absolutely intolerable to God, and He saw it coming (by what we see in Genesis 6) and God made sure to destroy all except those chosen to carry on the human race -- basically three male/female pairings for the entire human race, although 8 individuals were carried through the world-wide flood to restart the entire human race, plus the preservation of certain animals to continue on afterwards, after all other land animals had been destroyed and obliterated.

So, once one sees the reason why the destruction of the entire human race was necessary by what God saw coming down the road, very shortly, explains why that wide and vast of a destruction was necessary.

This sort of thing might seem to be overwhelming to human beings, but to God, who created all of the space-time existence (even the creation of the "space" itself in which matter exists, along with the parameter of "time" itself existing) -- this was a mere "blip" on the screen to Him. And He accomplished it and saved 8 people through that destruction (along with those particular animals) and allowed the human race, over the entire globe, to be reconstructed from those three male/female pairs we are told about.