Yo,
Getting back with you on his topic. Did the best I could on the research and I am building a new paper and re-looking at what I thought. When I built the papers you linked here, thank you again, I once believed there was one flood.
It appears per page 44, Halley’s Bible Handbook that Noah was to have buried tablets before the flood. The king that ruled the area like to read the pre-flood tablets.
There are pages on this.
One scientist believes the Tigris and Euphrates Valley was flooded twice.
I believe that both occasions were related to glacier melt. One of shortfalls of our last ice age or ice ages, is, according to one scientist, which I believe to be correct is the Ice Ages are under estimated.
In further readings, there is a chain of events in the process towards an Ice Age and almost a reverse of that process at the end of the ice age.
That said, my theory is Noah saw the signs and thru prayer he knew to build an Ark. It happened much as the Missoula Glacier Lake took affect. That is why, if we were to look for the Ark, it could be anywhere in the Turkey Mountain Ranges.
Which brings up a point here. Our USA satellites can almost read the numbers on a Russian Tank. Why can’t they find an Ark?
Maybe they have the Photos, Maybe they know where.
Anyway, to prove this, one would have to rebuild the Missoula Scenario in Turkey.
I believe Noah was caught in a Missoula Scenario. The line of family had breaks per a professor of mine. Like all families, bad apples are left out. Also, it was a handed down oral history. This allows error.
If we recall the authenticity of the Bible, the Dead Sea Scrolls gave us the Revised Standard Version Bible after centuries of use of the King James.
This leads me back to Adam. I have five river Valleys to work with now. I need a source for the River that Flowed through Eden and a volcanoe.
All of which may have been washed away and covered up.
I am drafting a paper on the topic. I have plenty of resources.
Sincerely,
Paul Pierett
Getting back with you on his topic. Did the best I could on the research and I am building a new paper and re-looking at what I thought.
Well, thanks for getting back. I had forgotten about it, but it was nice getting a ping back to it again... :-)
... I once believed there was one flood.
Well, if you no longer believe so, then it doesn't matter how much work you put into the subject, you're always going to be off-base, for anything you write on, if that subject has been impacted by that world-wided flood.
Now, mind you, I'm not saying that other floods have not happened. It's obvious that they have, because during my own lifetime I've seen them (heck! they're on the news all the time... LOL ...).
And given the different conditions further back in time (weather and climate and lots of ice and ice dams) -- it's very reasonable for those conditions to have produced what has been explained (as in the Pacific Northwest and the Columbia Gorge).
That's not a big deal to me. And all that's fine. So, I have no problems there.
It's only when it comes to the biggest flood of all, the world-wide flood that God told us about in Genesis -- that if someone denies that, and then goes on to explain somethig else (in which this flood had an impact on that subject [whatever that subject may be]) -- then they can never be completely right on that subject by dismissing a major piece to the puzzle, there.
I have no question or doubt that it did happen, because of the veracity of the Bible, as it's the same Bible which as told me about Jesus and creation and Adam and Eve and about His resurrection from the dead and about my own resurrection from the dead and so on. I figure if I can believe exactly what God tells me about Jesus rising from the dead and going off into Heaven in the sight of over 500 people and then believe God when He tells me that I'm also going to be resurrected from the dead, even though I'm in a million pieces in the dirt somewhere (later on) -- then why would I have any problem at all with what He tells me about the worldw-wide flood? I can't think of any reason why I would have a problem with that.
And face it, an "eyewitness to it" (namely God, Himself and Him telling us about is) is worth any number of "theories" that anyone can pose... doncha know ... :-)
It appears per page 44, Halley’s Bible Handbook that Noah was to have buried tablets before the flood. The king that ruled the area like to read the pre-flood tablets.
Well, I like reading up on other people's theories, too -- and it does sure make for interesting reading.
But, I wouldn't take anyone's theories and/or "consensus understanding" (whatever it may be) as the equivalent of God's Word itself -- and especially not if that "thinking" is directly contradictory to what God has said.
That's the problem that a lot of people run into with their own thinking. They seem to think that the "consensus thinking" or even some individual's theory on something (whomever that might be) is "on par" with the "revealed Word of God"... and once a person goes that route... they've lost all understanding of what the revealed Word of God is about.
Once a person has lost that understanding of the Word of God, they are basically "lost to the truth" that can be known from God's own personal witness to us. And there's a whole lot that we can know no other way than that witness to us (i.e., what is referred to as "God's revelation".
There is the "revelation of God" that He gives us through nature. We see that all the time, but that never contradicts the direct revelation of God, from His Word that He directly gives us. If someone thinks it does, then they've got a defective understanding "right off the bat" and that will affect everything else that comes from that thinking -- right on down the line.
One scientist believes the Tigris and Euphrates Valley was flooded twice. [ and etc. ... ]
All these things may be true, and again, they may not be. They may be working theories and someone has to sort it out, yet -- and that's fine. We have a lot of things to discover on our own, too. As I said, I don't have any problems with people trying to sort those things out.
I just know that if I depart from the revealed Word of God, in some understanding (of some part of that Word) -- and that part has some bearing in what I'm studying -- then if I ignore that Word of God on that matter -- I can only go wrong, by going away from the Word of God on that matter.
A person will never go "right" eventually in the future, if they ignore some part of the Word of God, which has a direct bearing on whatever the subject matter is -- that is being examined.
The Bible doesn't contain everything that we can know and discover from science and from our examination of things. And we do have limitations in that area (in the studies from science), of course... and we can't "know it all" even with thorough examination (of any subject matter that we delve into).
But, whatever parts that the Word of God does "touch upon" and "speaks about" -- if those are ignored in our studies -- we can only go wrong in those matters, and not in the right direction.
Which brings up a point here. Our USA satellites can almost read the numbers on a Russian Tank. Why can’t they find an Ark?
Well, that's not too hard to understand and fathom, actually. I mean, a lot of people think we have almost unlimited capabilities in this area and can find anything if we really apply ourselves -- but I really doubt it... :-)
Let me give you a "whole lot easier task" which is sorta similar to that.
We know where Mt. St. Helens is (it's still in the same spot) and we know where Spirit Lake is at (roughly in the same spot, too). And I've been to both, before and after the eruption of May 18, 1980.
And I was also at Harry Truman's big lodge that was at Spirit Lake. It was a beautiful area too.
Now, what I want to know -- is -- "Can anyone find Harry Truman's Lodge (a really big building, too... by the way) at Spirit Lake?
No one has found it yet and they say it's "there" (and we all know it was there before, because I've been in it, myself -- that's an "eyewitness testimony" by the way... doncha know).
And some people, perhaps today, may doubt that the Lodge at Spirit Lake ever existed -- but I can testify to you that it did exist and I saw it.
HOWEVER, I know that no one has found it and I'm doubting that anyone will find it again, too. They may, at some time in the future (can't say "never" about that) -- but then again, they may never find it again.
But, I know it was there... you see... :-)
I don't think satellites will help you with that matter either...
If we recall the authenticity of the Bible, the Dead Sea Scrolls gave us the Revised Standard Version Bible after centuries of use of the King James.
You need to understand the difference between a translation of the Bible -- versus the Bible as given by God. There is a difference and translations are not what is being talked about here (at least I'm not... maybe you are).
Take a close look at the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy and it will clear up a lot of those matters for you.
In brief, what we are talking about is the Bible as God gave it to us.
See the link to it at Post #29 ...
This leads me back to Adam. I have five river Valleys to work with now. I need a source for the River that Flowed through Eden and a volcanoe.
I'm of the opinion that Adam was formed of the ground, as we read about in Genesis, in the area of Jerusalem, in Israel. But, that's not something that is directly spoken about and is something that I would say is somewhat inferred from the Bible, and it remains a matter of opinion, more than anything else.
The globe (of the earth) is a really big area. And when I consider that and consider features of the earth and in pinpointing an area, in speaking to someone (about it) who lives on the earth -- I could talk about a certain area of the globe and describe it and yet -- be 2,000 miles off from the specific area that I may be referring to.
If I'm talking to someone about this country that I'm currently living in, and I speak about it in terms of a big mountain range that divides it north to south and a big plain on the east side of that mountain range and a mighty and big river that divides the country -- east and west ... someone may get an idea of where that country is, by looking at a globe and finding those features that I've described.
And if they do find that country by those features that I've just described (and I've told them that I live in that country, which has those features) -- they will know (and say)... "Okay, he's there in that place!"
And they might point to the plains that I've described or the great river that I've described, or the great mountain range that I've described -- but -- they could be from 1,000 miles to 2,500 miles "off" from where I actually and specifically live (and they would be, from where I lived before, in Oregon).
But, all that I described would be perfectly accurate and correct and I do live in that country -- and still -- that person could be 2,500 miles off from where I'm really at.
Well, anyway, it's good to hear back from you ... :-)