Posted on 02/21/2010 1:17:31 PM PST by capacommie
Obama agrees as cosponsor of Senate Resolution 511 that 2 US citizen parents, child born on US soil (military base being a US possession) makes one a natural born citizen.
Being a natural born citizen is a requirement, not a suggestion, of the US Constitution for eligibility for presidency.
With an illegal usurper installed, the Constitution is null and void in essence, and everything done by the illegitimate administration is illegal. The Constitution is a contract binding the nation-states. Every contract, debt, owing, treaty, provision, appointment consequential to it, is null and void.
...including Obamacrypt which they intend to Rahm down America's throats tomorrow, despite the will of the American people.
Claire McCaskill and Barack Obama, both democrats, would never legitimately assist a Republican in becoming president. (Born-British Obama would run for president, McCaskill wanted to become V.P.) It turns out McCain was born in Panama proper, not on a military base. Although no senate resolution alters the Constitution, this bill made it sound as if the senate would recognize McCain as a natural born citizen. McCaskill/Obama wanted McCain as the (R) candidate, or they would not have helped him.
Knowing that McCain was not actually born in a US possession (military base), they could blackmail him to not speak up about Obama's lack of eligibility. On the campaign trail, Bill Clinton got closer to impugning Obama's eligibility than John McCain ever did.
Now Vattel did write about natural born citizens who were born out-of-country but while the parents were in military service, but this would have been a contentious issue at best.
| • natural born citizens have NO other nation-ties at birth • natural born citizens are the consummate "pure Americans" • natural born citizens have no more rights AS CITIZENS than do statutory citizens, but being president is not a "right", it is a privilege entailing highly discriminatory criterion for eligibility including age, duration of residency, as well as parentage and place of birth (but not race or ethnicity or religion) • natural born citizenship is that state AT BIRTH, and cannot be granted at any point beyond • natural born citizenship is the highest national security eligibility criterion |
The stakes are high, control over, destruction of, the Constitution of the USA, and tyranny over its people.
>Through taking our nation back through the States.
I agree, if I read that correctly.
>We need to make our state legislatures, senates, and governors nullify federal laws through state legislation.
Not just federal laws; state laws too.
For example, I live in New Mexico, Article 2, Section 6 of the State Constitution reads as follows:
[Right to bear arms.]
No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing
herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms. (As
amended November 2, 1986.)
Yet there are state laws which, for example, prohibit firearms on University grounds:
http://www.conwaygreene.com/nmsu/lpext.dll/nmsa1978/9b0/efc5/f17d/f1a5?fn=document-frame.htm&f=templates&2.0
So then, let me ask this: What happens if I were to strap on my .45 Glock and go to school with it? According to NMSA 1987 30-7-2.4 I would be guilty of a misdemeanor; yet according to the State Constitution there is NO [valid] law against having/’wearing’ a firearm for self-defense.
>Basically, states need to say “beat it” and we need to ignore federal law that states have nullified.
IMO, what we need to do is realize that words mean things and start forcing people’s hands. IE, maybe I should take my gun to school, whereupon my firearm will likely be confiscated (read stolen) and I will be [illegally] charged with a misdemeanor. It is entirely plausible that the federal crimes “Deprivation of rights under color of law” & “Conspiracy against rights” could apply to the law enforcement officers.
I do not care if McCain had been born on the space shuttle, if his father was a natural born US military man, his mother was a natural born citizen, too, same same as military father- McCain is natural born. THE END.
I do care if McCain was born on the space shuttle. That would a great story. The movie version alone probably would have gotten him elected. LOL
I would agree with those who claim McCain was brought up through the nomination pack by the same people who brought Bill Clinton and Obama up through the nomination pack. I also think that Obama wanted to piggy-back on the resolution passed to O.K. McCains eligibility but couldn’t when it referred to parentS. I also think those that pushed the resolution just might have thoght they could pull a slick move by stetching the Constitution. The father’s citizenship is a requirement by virtue of Article II Section 8 directive #9 for Congress to DEFINE offenses against the Law of Nations which was Vittel’s treatise which defined a NBC as one born of parentS who are it’s citizenS. The stretch would be to Define ‘country’ as the place where the citizen parentS were and this would have been innocuous considering the Panama Canal: but the wording precedent would have been established like many people present today that two citizen parentS anywhere in the world satisfied the Constitution as to eligibility. The only hang-up then was the parentS and this could not be stretched for Obama.
The Constitution requires that a President be “natural born,” but is silent as to birthplace, unless there be a definition of natural born that also specifies birthplace. If “natural born” refers only to parentage, Obama fails the test.
“Article II, Section 8, Directive 9...”
Do you not mean “Article I, Section 8..?”
Just checking.
You told the truth. Your oath was to the US. Look at your oath and then that of an officer? That may guide you as to who to complain to.
...McCain’s parents both citizens ...
Yes, why was there ever a question? My nephew was born in Finland but SIL and her hubby are US citizens, so DeNephew is a US citizen.
However, he was so big when he was born that her Finnish doctor suggested DeNephew consider dual citizenship so Finland could have someone tall on their Olympic basketball team.
That is not exactly the legal argument in Dr. Chin's brief. It is part of it. One does have to wonder what the purpose of the Senate declaration was since it didn't really address any of the specific issues brought up about McCain or 0bama. It has no legal authority at all.
McCain's Birth Abroad Stirs Legal DebateThe bad news is that the nonbinding Senate resolution passed Wednesday night is simply an opinion that has little bearing on an arcane constitutional debate that has preoccupied legal scholars for many weeks.
It seems more like a distraction to give 0bama cover and was supported by Hillary, McCaskill and Leahy among other Dems. I wonder if McCain or 0bummer voted on this or abstained?
The only mention of McCain in all this is because he was the subject of the bill. It matters not whether we agree on his NBC status. What matters is the content of the bill as it relates to the NBC clause and BHO endorsed it, that is all that matters.
I'll go one further into the mindset of McCain at the time. McCain, by choosing Palin as his VP, was to mitigate the court challenges by the Democrats who would have surely challenged him if he became president. This was McCain's tacit answer to the Dems. If you remove me from office over the natural born citizen clause, you'll get Palin as the president.
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The constitution was written by honorable men for honorable men. So if your premise is to be considered we had no honorable men nominated for the office.
Yes, it is Article I Section 8 directive #9. Fingers faster than ability.
The word ‘honor’ and Congress today maybe be a foreign concept.
>You told the truth.
I know I did.
>Your oath was to the US. Look at your oath and then that of an officer?
I have, actually. I even referenced it in this paper I wrote:
http://docs.google.com/View?id=dv698tm_25c7b35cc9
>That may guide you as to who to complain to.
And THAT’S where the politics/good-old-boy crap comes in. As I see it there are far too many people who hide between laws & rules when it’s to their advantage and yet ignore them when they aren’t.
A good example would be this state law which illegalizes [the carrying of] firearms on University premises... despite having a Section in the State Constitution which says the following:
[Right to bear arms.]
No law shall abridge the right of the citizen
to keep and bear arms for security and
defense, for lawful hunting and recreational
use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing
herein shall be held to permit the carrying
of concealed weapons. No municipality
or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident
of the right to keep and bear arms. (As
amended November 2, 1971 and November
2, 1986.)
Now, if I were to take my .45 glock onto campus with me how much would you want to bet that I would: a) have it be taken away, b) be harassed for exercising that right, and/or c) charged with a misdemeanor according to the applicable state-law?
This brings us directly back to the question of how to get the Constitution [US or State] to be in its proper, superior place.
The only thing stupid, in your stupid post, is your stupid opinion.
John McCain is a “citizen by statute.”
Here’s the statute:
Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401] The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
Sec. 303. [8 U.S.C. 1403] Persons born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904
(a) Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this Act, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.
(b) Any person born in the Republic of Panama on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this Act, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States employed by the Government of the United States or by the Panama Railroad Company, or its successor in title, is declared to be a citizen of the United States.
A statutory citizen (bestowed by man’s pen) can never be a “natural born” citizen (bestowed by God/nature).
This case fails the test of jus soli — NOT born in the USA
This case meets the test of jus sanguinis — parents are US citizens
This person is NOT a “natural born” citizen and is NOT eligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief.
JB Williams
Canada Free Press
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
(snip)
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
(snip)
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.
(snip)
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.
(Snip)
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.
(Snip)
WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.
(Snip)
DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOM HAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.
(Snip)
A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..
Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
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A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:
Dr. Orly has put her life’s blood into this fight. SHE HAS MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP FROM COWARDLY REPUBLICANS AND THE SCOTUS.
Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials.
She has even gone to Isreal and Russia to spread the message about Obama’s inelgibility!
She states the case expertly, including the bc and natural born citizen aspect, when not abused by the U.S. state-controlled media. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880
Sure, Dr. Orly makes mistakes. We all do. But Dr. Orly is no dummy. How many of us could go to a foreign country, learn 5 languages, establish a successful dental practice, a successful real estate business AND pass the California state bar- one of the hardest in the U.S. to pass?
She may be a ‘mail order’ attorney and not a Harvard lawyer, but she IS an attorney with all the rights and privilages of a Harvard lawyer nevertheless!
The point is; she has the passion, the zeal, the courage of her convictions and the love of America and its freedoms (unlike many of our ‘great’ attorneys and ‘patriots’ who criticize her) that will not let her give up!
She is exhausted. She is nervous. She is frustrated. It is reported that she gets by on 4-5 hours of sleep per night, and her family is very worried about her health- as well as her safety.
She makes mistakes. But she will NOT give up. She will keep on until she gets it right.
So let’s get behind this great little Russian refugee and great American patriot.
Stop tearing her apart. The Obots on FR don’t need our help.
The obots are scared to death of this little lady and her determination. That’s why they come out in droves all over the net on forums, chat rooms and even the national news to attack and ridicule.
Even if Orly NEVER brings Obama to trial, she has almost single handly brought his ineligibility to world wide attention, caused him to spend MILLIONS on lawyers to keep his records hidden AND CAUSED THE MUZZIE TO SWEAT BULLETS!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcChG5pRTOE&feature=player_embedded
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